cynic
- 20 Oct 2007 12:12
rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.
for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ
for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance
Falcothou
- 07 Apr 2008 08:37
- 1800 of 21973
If or when it tanks they'll be calling it a fool's rally. Rio quite close to resistance now which makes a short a consideration as it it made a long a consideration at 48 support, wish I had then!
ptholden
- 07 Apr 2008 09:00
- 1801 of 21973
Pity I didn't follow my own thoughts and take a long position on the DOW last night. Hindsight is a wonderful thing :)
spitfire43
- 07 Apr 2008 09:56
- 1802 of 21973
FTSE has just spiked to 6000 level, interesting to see DOW futures at 12700. So we could see some short term strength, I will content myself with a little scalping at 6000+ level to the downside.
bhunt1910
- 07 Apr 2008 10:02
- 1803 of 21973
spitfire - can you explain scalping please ?
ptholden
- 07 Apr 2008 10:18
- 1804 of 21973
Rather than taking a longer term view of the Index spitfire is trading very short moves for a few pts at a time, perhaps even just one, ie, scalping.
bhunt1910
- 07 Apr 2008 10:30
- 1805 of 21973
thanks PT.
I use BSL and they charge a fixed amount on index cfds of 12.50. So I would need to cover 25 plus 4 points for the spread. Am I paying through the nose? or do you use a big bet ie 50 per point - to reduce the overhead of the commision charges.
I am only at the 5 per point stage - so obviously I need a bigger movement to cover costs and spread to make a profita
ptholden
- 07 Apr 2008 10:38
- 1806 of 21973
I wouldn't consider scalping using CFDs, spreadbets only with no commission charges. Size of the bet is individual preference depenadnt on risk appetite. Personally I think 50 is quite a sizeable bet and one that could cause significant damage to one's pot in pretty short order!
bhunt1910
- 07 Apr 2008 10:53
- 1807 of 21973
Ah - thanks. Am only using CFD's - have not really got my head round SB's - perhaps thats my problem - and why my profits dissolve with the commission charges.
spitfire43
- 07 Apr 2008 11:02
- 1808 of 21973
I started trying to use CFD for index reading, but changed to SB's which have no commission, only the spread which is only 2 points on FTSE.
I only scalp using 3 points, and only on days where market seems undecided about positive direction. A bit like myself today, I just can't make up my mind on when to jump in.
spitfire43
- 07 Apr 2008 11:12
- 1809 of 21973
Very frustrating, problem with scalping you have to watch the screens the whole time, I missed first chance at 6000 to short, but I'm sure FTSE will hit 6000 again.
cynic
- 07 Apr 2008 11:26
- 1810 of 21973
if in doubt, do nowt ...... if anything, would be inclined to short
maggiebt4
- 07 Apr 2008 11:29
- 1811 of 21973
Spitfire Is that Ftse daily? b'cos Ftse april with IG spread is 6 + extra 3. Can you roll over a daily bet ? knowing my luck if I short it I'll go up.
cynic
- 07 Apr 2008 11:43
- 1812 of 21973
just for info, i think IG CFDs charge $10 in each direction per $2 mini-Dow contract, and FTSE must be similarly small - i.e. 5 in each direction per 2 mini-FTSE contract
FTSE spread during market hours is 2 points or 4 outside
I think Dow is be 4 or 6 outside
bhunt1910
- 07 Apr 2008 12:16
- 1813 of 21973
Thanks for the info guys
Will look at SB's
spitfire43
- 07 Apr 2008 13:45
- 1814 of 21973
Hi Maggie, yes the 2 points was for a daily rolling bet, you can roll it over to next day for a small charge. Sometimes if you want to take a longer position, maybe over a week or longer it can pay to use a CFD contract.
maggiebt4
- 07 Apr 2008 13:48
- 1815 of 21973
Thanks Spitfire might take a dabble but not today.
bhunt1910
- 07 Apr 2008 15:12
- 1816 of 21973
one of those funny days again with the dow dropping since the open and the Ftse holding - even pushing up ??
cynic
- 07 Apr 2008 16:35
- 1817 of 21973
Dow remains decidedly undecided ...... am glad i have taken no position at all, but still remain inclined to short, but shall wait and watch
Toya
- 07 Apr 2008 17:03
- 1818 of 21973
I've been 'scalping' (thanks pth: didn't know the term before) and actually over-achieved my earnings target for the day so am tempted to leave it at that rather than risk squandering it. I would not have been brave enough to try and predict where the ftse or dow would go from the start of the day to the end, so scalping suits me better.
cynic
- 07 Apr 2008 17:06
- 1819 of 21973
i've already been scalped!