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PapalPower, surely the issue with immigration was that being unchecked we have a unknown criminal elements?. If people are unchecked they can adopt new identities and escape the law by changing again. These immigrants should have been given a "time-permit" so we could check on their progress at least for the next 5-years.
My impression ( but could be wrong) is that it went unchecked like there was a free-for-all. Quite a contrast to the long (airport) queues checking holidaymakers for nail-files, eh? No, I don't get the contrast...?
Any benefits to our housing-stock is unlikely to be the real reason, since many don't speak english. Sure the "Polish bricklayers" were welcome, bringing a strong work-ethic but we also permitted fruit-pickers who were sometimes "Traded" along with their women. No it really was/is a complete mess IMHO. - - - about the same mind-set that allowed NRK to lend-long and borrow short-time.
-Couldn't everyone see the slight flaw, if given the opportunity to say?

BTW good-call going to Cash - wish I'd had the gumption then, too.

this is the start of your total garbage assertion, from which you then continued to build - or dig is perhaps more apposite ..... the only reason immigration was allowed to go unchecked was that all these people needed somewhere to live, and this helped support the buy to let market. The government knew it was all going to collapse, but allowing more and more immigrants in, illegal or not, allowed them to prolong the bubble a little longer.

wether or not you went 100% liquid (don't entirely believe you - e.g. LEAD etc) in january has no relevance to the above

cynic, buy to let was the "last great hope" to get more on to the property ladder, so those who could not afford to pay a whopping mortgage on joint salaries, could justify if by adding in rental income too.

Salary + Salary + Rental Income = Just enough for a whopping great mortgage.

It was kind of like the other rubbish of "joint equity" or buying "80% of a house".

All there to pump the bubble.

Buy to Let needs people "renting"..........and what better way than allow immigration to be boosted up and up, more migrant workers equals more "renting" demand.

most "buy to let" peeps did it without thinking properly and in the (foolish as it happens) expectation that house prices would rise inexorably ..... certain sectors had merit - e.g. student housing, and certainly those who did not gear too highly, prospered and will continue to do so ... as for linking that to "willful" slackening of immigration rules etc, i have never heard such poppycock in all my life, other than from one or two others on this board!

I think we have to remember on the banning thing, someone (or several folk)must've complained enough for action to be taken. Assuming it was those who were offended directly, all should accept offence was caused.

Why was going to cash in January a good call. If it had really been a good call you would have been shorting the ass off of the ftse, banks etc. One day you guys will learn, shares are not only for buying, you can make more by shorting than investing.

And dont give me the bullshit about shorters getting the financial markets in the mess they are in.

It's the Ducking Stool for you, Jeffie, after a comment like that. Then, if you're still alive, you'll be burnt at the stake. Then, if you're still alive, you'll be forced to watch Tottenham play for 90 minutes. That should certainly finish you off!

Jeff the ftse was a certainty at 5600 thank you very much!chickened out at 4560! Bugger! Now theres a surprise!

Tabby
better use of cash than sticking it under the mattress

Jeff my mattress is full of waterI suppose that would be liquid assets?

Piss the bed again?

ROFLMAO!

P P, if you have been in cash since January why did you start a thread in March ? saying you had bought a large amount of stock in KYS

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PapalPower - 21 Mar'08 - 06:30 View 'PapalPower' profile

Here are the principal data that must be explained:

The Twin Towers were destroyed faster than physics can explain (at free fall speed "collapse").
They underwent mid-air pulverization and were turned to dust before they hit the ground.
The protective bathtub was not significantly damaged by the destruction of the Twin Towers.
The rail lines, the tunnels and most of the rail cars had only light damage.
The WTC mall survived well, witnessed by Warner Bros. Road Runner and friends.
The seismic impact was minimal, far too small based on our comparison with the Kingdome controlled demolition.
The Twin Towers were destroyed from the top down, not bottom up.
The demolition of WTC7 was whisper quiet and the seismic signal was no greater than background noise.
The upper 80 percent, approximately, of each tower was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth.
The upper 90 percent, approximately, of WTC7 was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth.
File cabinet with folder dividers survived.
Office paper was densely spread throughout lower Manhattan, unburned, often along side burning cars.
Vertical round holes were cut into buildings 4, 5 and 6, plus a cylindrical arc into Bankers Trust and into Liberty street in front of Bankers Trust.
All planes except top secret missions were ordered down until 10:31 a.m. (when only military flights were allowed to resume), after both towers were destroyed, and only two minutes after WTC 1 had been destroyed.
Approximately 1,400 motor vehicles were towed away, toasted in strange ways, during the destruction of the Twin Towers.
The order and method of destruction of each tower minimized damage to the bathtub and adjacent buildings.
Twin Tower control without damaging neighboring buildings, in fact all seriously damaged or destroyed buildings had a WTC prefix, and no others.
The north wing of WTC 4 was left standing, neatly sliced from the main body which virtually disappeared.
The WTC1 and WTC2 rubble pile was far too small to account for the mass.
The WTC7 rubble pile was too small and contained a lot of mud.
Eyewitness testimony about toasted cars, instant disappearance of people by "unexplained" waves, a plane turning into a mid-air fireball, electrical power cut off moments before WTC 2 destruction, and the sound of explosions.
There were many flipped cars in the neighborhood of the WTC complex near trees with full folliage.
* The possibility that a technology exists. Since invention of the microwave for cooking in 1945 and laser beam in 1955*, commercial and military development of beam technology has proceeded apace, so use of high-energy beams are likely




What explanations have been suggested to explain these phenomena?
Seven explanations have been identified:
Natural causes such as earthquakes and hurricanes

Arson
The official theory of airplane impact, fires and weakened steel collapsing

Conventional demolition with explosives such as RDX, dynamite, etc.

Demolition via thermite or its variants

Fission or fusion nukes (and clean bombs)

Beam weapons, energy weapons, directed-energy weapons (DEW)

(CCD-BiB) = "Conventional Controlled Demolition" with "Bombs in the Building"



Beam Weapons, Energy Weapons, and Directed Energy Weapons (DEW):

We have used the terms "beam weapons" and "directed energy weapons" to refer to unconventional weapons (exotic weapons) that are energy weapons. We broadly define DEW as Energy that is Directed and is used as a Weapon. The full range of these weapons is classified information, so we make no limits or distinction of categories within the realm of energy weapons, as doing so would imply specific knowledge of all that is available. In the following paragraph, we have listed some of the possibilities we are aware of.

Our critics have accused us of insisting that beam weapons did their damage from outer space, yet we make no claim about whether the directed energy weapon operated from a space-, air-, or ground-based platform. Nor do we make any claim about what wavelength(s) was used, what the source(s) of energy was, whether it involved interference of multiple beams, whether it involved sound waves, whether it involved sonoluminescence, whether it involved antimatter weapons, whether it involved scalar weapons, whether it was HAARP (more here and here), whether it involved a nuclear process (e.g. NDEW, more info), whether it involved conventional directed energy weapons (cDEW), whether it involved improvised directed energy weapons (iDEW), nor what kind of accelerator was used, nor do we claim to know what the serial numbers of the parts that were in the weapon(s).

What we do claim is that the evidence is consistent with the use of energy weapons that go well beyond the capabilities of conventional explosives and can be directed.


"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

not so .... it may just mean that you have not thought of other possibilities - i.e. you didn't know you didn't know! ..... using your argument, the world would still be perceived as flat and no scientific "proof" would or could ever be disproved

moron!

Can't someone repossess his van too?

and his laptop

clearly someone has repossessed poor old maestro's brain .... well i assume he actually had one at some moment in time

I believe the floor design was responsible for the towers total collapse. I am sure I saw the architect being interviewed stating he new the moment the towers were hit they would implode. A different floor design would have held the building upI believe.. The design was for speed of construction.

I think maestro has been abducted by the Federation of Aliens due to appear today in a 2000 mile spaceship.