Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hillsborough papers: Calls for 'essential prosecutions'

A criminal investigation into the police handling of the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster must happen, an ex-chief constable has said.

Richard Wells, who led South Yorkshire Police from 1990 to 1998, said charges were "absolutely essential" after a damning report into the tragedy.

The New Testament is non-fiction; that is why it is called a testament, if you want to know the events following the death of Jesus then read it.

Regarding Hillsborough the fact remains that despite the failings of the authorities if the fans had behaved sensibily nobody would have got hurt.

when I was a youth you trusted the police and had respect for them today .
well they ae not in the police for the job at hand just in the poice for the money and the perks . you can not trust them . this is bad news. but fact.

They were not failings, the rest of your sentence is irrelevant.

The New Testament would not be much without the stories made up by St Paul. Until his road to damasus conversion, he was a local confidence trixster known as Paul The Liar.

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Tanker,

If you were a youth and weren't aware of police corruption at that time, you were naive.

The police had many corrupt and still have corrupt officers and also made "mistakes". Part and parcel of large organisations.

But I think in general they have cleaned up their act, but trying to get the right "team" spirit without a degree of "protectionism" is difficult.

The major difference, between today and yesterday, is that the establishments are less powerful and that "wrong" doings and mistakes are more likely to be exposed in the media.

Also, there are more advocates to take up rightful causes and get a hearing.


From some of the actions or legal changes this government is wishing to impose, I think that they are trying to reimpose the power of the said "elite" or "establishment.

Who wish to hide, or wash their dirty linen behind closed doors.

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Interesting remark made by Maggie to Hurd!

LOL Haystack, where did you get that from?

hay if you believe if fairy tales you may as well be one

Hillsborough report: Some key findings in the Hillsborough papers.

The Hillsborough disaster occurred when 96 Liverpool fans died after they were crushed within Sheffield Wednesday's stadium during the 1989 FA Cup semi-final with Nottingham Forest.

The fans who died had been in two pens of the Leppings Lane terrace. Each pen was separated by fences, including an overhanging barrier designed to prevent pitch invasions. Each pen had a small locked gate that opened onto the pitch.

The report, compiled by the Hillsborough Independent Panel, said that despite obvious signs of distress, it was a while before the police fully reacted and launched attempts to rescue those who were being crushed.

This_is_me
I went to a Jesuit run school and I won the theology prize. Previous winners had all become priests. It is a testament to the open mindedness of the Jesuits that they still gave me the prize as an athiest. The prize was a superb book of photos of art in the Vatican, which I still have.

The christian church was languishing prior to Paul. There were many sects with differing beliefs. Paul tried to claim that his Gospel was revealed to him in some divine way. Paul came along after Christ and reinvented Christianity in ways that suited him. There are large parts of the New Testament where he gets quite angry with the followers of the other sects such as Marcionism, Ebionitisms, Gnostics, Thomasines, Manicheism etc. Read the book of Galatians. There is all sorts of moans about other believers.

Paul got his way and his version flourished because he was more energetic than the others and presumably because he was literate. Without Paul Christianity would be very different.

Stan - I'm listening re - Hillsborough, shameful and disgusting. The Sun (to my knowledge) newspaper hasn't been sold in Liverpool since. Can't even begin to imagine the pain of any parent or relative who saw the front page of that rag. Then to accuse the Liverpool fans of robbing the dead that was unforgivable. At least the truth is now out in the open and justice hopefully will perhaps help them all to move on.

How often do plane stowaways fall from the sky?

Police are investigating whether a man found dead on a west London street was a stowaway who fell from a plane. Just how often does this happen?

And the Old Testament is non- fiction ? because its a testament. So if you call it a testament then its true ....... dream on

Even the Arch Bishop of Canterbury said Adam & Eve in the garden of Eden was a fairy tale

Malware inserted on PC production lines, says study

Cybercriminals have opened a new front in their battle to infect computers with malware - PC production lines.

Several new computers have been found carrying malware installed in the factory, suggests a Microsoft study.

One virus called Nitol found by Microsoft steals personal details to help criminals plunder online bank accounts.

Met Office model 'better at predicting extreme winters'

UK weather forecasters can predict cold winter weather a season ahead with more confidence, according to analysis of a new computer model.

Writing in Environmental Research Letters, scientists say the model is better at simulating phenomena known as sudden stratospheric warmings (SSWs).

DOn't worry about the weather. It cannot be worst than this summer!!

Make a bet!

Winter seems to have already started.

Thinking of taking the van to Morocco.

.. Anglo midlands Softy -):

watching the news , these sub humans destroying everthing they see ,
about somes them up. egpty tunis should now be avoided by tourist let them starve .