cynic
- 20 Oct 2007 12:12
rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.
for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ
for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance
jimmy b
- 04 Sep 2015 10:18
- 18505 of 21973
Markets are mad a pure gamble now days ,however when you see the FTSE / DOW get hammered it seems to be worth going long ,i did FTSE at 5998 the other night ,so i'm only in if they look oversold .
Stock trades now looking to nick a few points here and there.
splat
- 04 Sep 2015 11:15
- 18506 of 21973
and conversely jimmy, don't you fancy going short when they rise sharply, or is it that you think they are generally too low and it's less of a gamble going long?
I must say, I have been doing similarly and tending to go long after big drops but I have had a few successful shorts as well - very easy to get whipsawed though!!
jimmy b
- 04 Sep 2015 11:51
- 18507 of 21973
Yes splat that's exactly my thinking with the FTSE ,at some point it will just carry on up and it will be at what point do you close a short .
Plus i shouldn't try and be too clever with indices they usually come back and bite me ,just try and trade what looks like the obvious .
jimmy b
- 04 Sep 2015 16:11
- 18508 of 21973
Mayhem alert !!!!!!!
cynic
- 04 Sep 2015 16:19
- 18509 of 21973
yet another stomach-churning weeks draws to a close
FTSE has held up over 6,000 which is certainly good news
meanwhile DOW is just about holding above 16,100 which is neither here nor there as 16,000 is much more important
jimmy b
- 04 Sep 2015 16:31
- 18510 of 21973
Didn't fancy being long over the weekend ,however could be good for a bounce next week .
cynic
- 04 Sep 2015 16:56
- 18511 of 21973
actually the key number for FTSE was 6100, so not quite as sanguine as i was
i don't hold
would feel cheerier if DOW shunts (significantly) north rather than even further south before closing
jimmy b
- 04 Sep 2015 17:12
- 18512 of 21973
Why ? let it tank then you just know the bounce is coming ..
Anything below 6000 on the FTSE and i'm tempted .
cynic
- 04 Sep 2015 17:21
- 18513 of 21973
you may get your wish the way things are heading at the moment
one of the major probs, is that even if you are glued to the screen, judging direction is currently very difficult indeed
HARRYCAT
- 04 Sep 2015 18:51
- 18514 of 21973
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HARRYCAT
- 04 Sep 2015 19:26
- 18515 of 21973
For those with a few minutes to spare over the w/e, this is a view from the FT concerning the market volatility:
The last week of August was one of the most volatile we have seen in global equity markets for several years. The fear that had been building hit the markets with a jolt on Monday 24 August. The warning lights had been flashing for several months but developed equity markets, with the complacency of a boiling frog, had appeared unconcerned by the worrying developments in other asset classes.
Clearly, there were fundamental triggers for the market declines but, in our view, the market moves were exacerbated by flow considerations and market technicals. So, what happened?
What caused the US market to lurch lower so violently and then recover? How could a stock like GE, for example, a $250bn company, fall as much as -21% in the first few minutes of trading and then recover to close the day down less than -3%? Apple, the world’s biggest stock, ‘lost’ $79bn worth of value at the market open but had recovered it all within an hour (by the way, that is broadly equivalent to the entire market cap of AstraZeneca).
First, let’s recap on the fundamental triggers.
Commodity prices had been weak for some time, initially on supply developments but more recent moves lower have been demand driven, signalling a deteriorating global growth outlook, especially in China. Fears about the world’s second largest economy in recent months had spilled over into emerging market currencies, their equities and in to the high yield debt market.
At the same time, the Chinese stock market had become completely detached from the reality of its underlying economy. The fall from its peak in June has been spectacular – in less than 10 weeks, the value of mainland China equities broadly halved, wiping out more than the total capitalisation of the UK stock market in the process.
Equities were in the eye of the storm on Monday 24 August after experiencing sharp sell-offs on the previous Friday, when poor China PMI data was followed by weaker than expected US PMI data that afternoon. The weekend press that followed focused on the sell-off and potential implications. “Global stocks suffer rout as fears intensify over Chinese slowdown” was the Financial Times front page on the Saturday.
When Asian markets opened on Monday 24, Chinese equities were hit very hard and closed the day down -8.5%. The falls in China triggered a sell-off in international markets as fear spread across the globe. The moves were extraordinary and have raised a lot of questions about how modern markets function in such volatile conditions. The FTSE was down -6.8% at its low, which coincided with the US market opening on the Monday, but ended the week in positive territory. All European markets experienced similar sell-offs.
Watching the screens at first hand, reading the flood of news on the wires and in talking to fellow traders in the industry, there are suggestions that other forces, besides fundamentals, are at work. Heavy selling pressure in equity futures ahead of the US open certainly played a role in these moves but another significant reason for the market instability and volatility could be trading activity in exchange traded funds (ETFs).
For instance, in the first few minutes of trading, the $5.8bn Vanguard Health Care ETF fell -32% but the value of the underlying holdings fell only -6%. The trading of the PowerShares S&P 500 Low Volatility Portfolio ETF was also somewhat ironic. According to its description, “the fund seeks results that correspond generally to the price and yield of the S&P 500 Low Volatility Index.” In the first 15 minutes of trading, it fell over -45% but within an hour it was down only -2.6%.
Ironically, ETFs were, in part, originally designed to satisfy the demand for an intraday trading option from private investors that wanted to trade more frequently than a daily-pricing fund could allow. Clearly they have an important role to play for some investors but it appears their success has brought some unwanted side-effects.
For now, ETFs are a much more powerful force in the US market than they are in the UK. However, their emergence may suggest that we could face greater volatility going forward. More reasons to think long-term, therefore, and to focus on fundamentals, not flow.
splat
- 04 Sep 2015 21:07
- 18516 of 21973
Interesting reading Harry and can only mean good news for the likes of us who dabble around the edges of the indicies. Volatility is always a Brucie Bonus for us! :)
cynic
- 08 Sep 2015 09:47
- 18517 of 21973
DOW
a tricky call now, with cash up about 300 points since the close for the long w/e in USA
cynic
- 08 Sep 2015 11:04
- 18518 of 21973
i was a bit o'exposed on Dow (long) and with hindsight was too cautious in banking some of those profits, but better in my pocket than potentially frittering it all away again
i have another small position on which i have placed a limit at 16,460 and another which is too far out to worry about for now, though very happy to see the loss it was carrying diminish very substantially :-)
cynic
- 10 Sep 2015 14:42
- 18519 of 21973
all fun and games today
just managed to squeeze out a little 25 point (long) profit, but only after there had been a scare south
cynic
- 10 Sep 2015 15:54
- 18520 of 21973
made another small turn, but far too quickly - he said with 20/20 hindsight!
still, i have a couple of other dow longs running, though they're currently out of the money, but a lot less so than they were 20 minutes ago :-)
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would very much like to see ftse close back above 6200 but it still has about 25 points to go
cynic
- 14 Sep 2015 08:27
- 18521 of 21973
after a bit of a gloomy friday i am very pleasantly surprised to see FTSE having another dart at 6200
whether it can breach and hold is another matter
jimmy b
- 14 Sep 2015 16:45
- 18522 of 21973
FTSE looking interesting currently 6084
cynic
- 14 Sep 2015 17:06
- 18523 of 21973
bought a bit prematurely at 6100, but i hope won't prove to have been too rash
HARRYCAT
- 15 Sep 2015 08:56
- 18524 of 21973
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