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I've always been against the recycling of paper for the following reasons:-

Many of the forests now redundant through recycling (large areas in Germany, for e.g.) have never been replanted - no need to, they existed to produce paper. There are now vast areas of land which once had trees producing oxygen - they're now being developed or left barren.

AND

The quality of recycled paper is poor and has limited use.

Dont start me on bottle recycling - totally ineffective.

A lot of recycling has been about business - not saving the planet. Unfortunately, many people who claim they want to save the planet live on a completely different one!

Giving my age away now but I used to collect empty bottles when I was a kid, as most had a deposit paid. On taking them back to the local shop I often then bought 4 blackjacks (for the benefit of you young uns, these were 4 for an old penny sweets).
Them was the days. With a quid, you could drink in a pub all night, go onto a night club, have fish and chips on the way home and still have some change left over.
Oh dear, started to cry with nostalgia and flooded my pipe. Sad ain't it.
But seriously, how many people today would bother taking bottles back for the return deposit, even if it was 10p per bottle, not many.

Interesting about the denuded forests, Oblo. Typical of industry to rape and pillage the land and then abandon it. It's also hardly surprising that supposedly eco-friendly Germany has a few skeletons in its closet.

When local authorities grant permission to companies for things such as quarries, the quarry companies are mostly obliged to make the land good after they cease operations. Clearly the German forests were exploited in less enlightened times.

Greekman,

When I started work I got a 15p Luncheon voucher per day - I could buy a steak and kidney pie and pint of beer with it!

I also collected the bottles as a youngster - King Fling, dandelion and burdock, etc. - used to hang around outside off licenses and fish and chio shops, take them out the bins and collect the 3d (I think it was) deposit!

You flooded your pipe, Greekman? Would that be your catheter, or have you borrowed the grandkids' bong?

The deposit thing works here in Frankfurt, is all I can say. A placcy 1.5L mineral water bottle carries a 25 -cent deposit, which would probably be worked out to 15p in Britain. Similar goes for beer and cola bottles. And if you have half a dozen, the incentive is already there to recycle them, as what housewife would throw away 90p a week that she could offset against her grocery bill?

I have a Tesco reuseable bag they are very wide, but if you buy the morning papers and frozen or chilled products and soft fruit you don,t want them all in one bag, your newspapers will be wet and your banana's bruised.

aldwickk

How do you know my banana is bruised?

The oily one

your wife told me.

If you know my wife, I'll see you in court.

You must have met her when she was a little tipsy. She's normally not very fussy in that state.

The oily one

Asda's environmental press release about recycling at stores included a bit about reducing the weight / amount of packaging by 10%.
Reading the blurb on Greenseal, it says that one of its key benefits is reducing the weight of the packaging necessary due to a mono layer.
Co-incidence???
Alan

Added to above post;
Asda also underlined its commitment to recycling rather than sending to landfill.
SEO claim that Greenseal allows packaging waste to be recycled, whereas normal packaging waste goes to landfill.
Was the Asda press release a forerunner? Here are our goals and targets in this press release. The next one to say they have achieved it through greenseal.
Tantalising.
Alan

aldwick .... just learn how to pack the bag properly ..... in any case, frozen goods are best kept fully that way by the use of a reusable thermal bag .... as for chilled, cheese and salads n stuff should not sweat

greekman,great post 18524,had me crying as well!!! not sad but good days,cheers.oblo,I guess you're still a youngster 15p meal vouchers!! threepenneth of chips with scraps AND wrapped in newspaper was the staple diet!! good luck to all. Cheers.

Alan,
Not only does GS use mono (unlaminated) plastics which prersumably reduces weight, but it works on a far narrower tray lip so there could be further material/weight savings there.

I handled some Starpol food trays at the AGM and thought these were lighter than the usual ready meal trays.

Following on, we had some transparent containers from M&S the other day (fresh strawberries I think) that were marked "degradable made from cornstarch from Natureworks" or something similar. These too felt thinner and lighter, but more brittle, than the usual.

Tony

Greekman.
15p Luncheon Voucher? You can't be so old, mine were 2/6.

Oblo.
I did the same and still fondly remember the day I found an empty Soda Syphon in the park and got 5/- for it. Riches indeed!

Cynic,

Why don't you read my post again, i was talking about newspapers getting wet and bananas getting bruised, as well.

From the Times today - Body & Soul section.

"The other thing to do is to seek out Belu water (www.belu.org; 45p for 500ml), sourced from the Black Mountains, in South Wales, and contained in a biodegradable bottle. Made of corn, it decomposes within 12 weeks. Its other policy to make a splash is the funding of clean water projects across the world. It has installed water pumps and sanitation systems in India and Mali. If needs must, and your mineral water habit wont budge, this is the water to develop a taste for."


Anyone know how SEO are getting on with selling biodegradeable bottles?

It appears there is a market!

'Morning all

The text in bold type, if I can use the technology right, is mine. The rest by "Flysch" on FYB.

Flysch welcome to FYBs Stanelco board. A thought provoking post for your first one! Excuse for me asking, but do you have any connection with Stanelco at all that is excluding a shareholding?

Having read through most of the discussion, i think you'll find that the market is "shaking the tree" i.e. until there is large buying volume as seen when the ASDA trials were first announced, the price is not going to hold.

The price is at its current support level, if it breaks this then we will move on to 2p. Unless there is some dramatic news the market will continue to reduce the price to make it look more attractive to buy. We may have seen a classic pump and dump with this stock based on what most of the discussion has been about and that is "expectation".

There have been many pump and dump exercises in the past with potential blue sky stocks, but this I believe was different. The pumping was done largely on what information the management was feeding the market, and not just by city slickers who had bought the stock and wanted to ramp the price to sell at a profit. Holders started to dump when the hopelessly optimistic forecasts were not realised.

My letter to the company was borne out of frustration and anger of many investors at the seemingly cavalier way they have treated their shareholders with misinformation. I would like to put it a lot more strongly than that based on my suspicions but the threat of legal action and decency prevents me from doing so.

Fortunately the company do seem to have a good product portfolio and at least they have the rights to the products. So to ease all those concerned, this company is not going to go bust in the short term, but it is under massive strain (its market cap has dropped from 80million to just 38 million in a couple of weeks).

I think that what you are implying above is that the company could sell it patents to the highest bidder should things really go wrong. But if they did, they wouldnt have a business model to work with. And anyway, I doubt whether they would be successful in raising more money from institutions given the latest problems with Greenseal, i.e. the 12 month extension of the exclusivity period with ASDA.

IMO i feel the current price is the new bottom but it does require buyers to ADD & HOLD. Looking at the order book we see an average of 2million shares traded each day which is a tiny comparison to the 600million traded in mid 2003 and the 25million on average for 2005.

I think that there is a tidal wave of money waiting to invest in this company on the strength of any hard and quantifiable contracts with a major UK or US company, EXcluding the ASDA Greenseal contract. As many people have invested in this company because of they believed that SEO would provide solutions to their genuine environmental concerns as have because of its blue sky potential. Personally it is a 50/50 split between the two.

Unfortunately there were many punters that traded Stanelco in 2005 who have now moved onto punting with commodity stocks, so what we are now left with is shares being traded with those who have particular interest in the company.

What evidence have you got for this statement? How do you know that they most - have migrated to commodity stocks?

Many are holding, the question is do you continue to add, to hold or to sell? Nobody can argue that the most important factor to the stock is the chart. Its currently showing some major bearish signals. But for every profit each investor made from Stanelco in 2005 the market are going to want to retrieve and now we have seen a full reversal pattern in the chart.

I agree with the chart showing bearish signals but this is a direct consequence of the company's actions over the past 18-24 months. However, chart watchers for a stock like this had better be extremely nimble when or, should I say, if contract is announced.

So all this talk about Stanelco's RNS and Letters to the company are not going to help the current situation.

The second paragraph of my answer to your pump and dump comment above partly answers this point. By writing to the company, with, I might add a host of support from contributors to three boards, I was hoping to place on record that there are lot investors (part owners) of this company that think that the management had better improve their performance in many skill sets or acquire them.

I have personal experience of a small companys growing pains as it becomes a medium size company, both in terms of staff and turnover/profits and the budget demands for new and improved facilities, technology and skill sets.

The company need money to progress and when people are selling & holding and not re-investing then we are going to see weakness. The company are at the mercy of the share holders and the only way the price will rise is if investors pump more funds into the company, proving to the market that this company has potential.

The weakness in the share price is the direct result of the companys actions (and to some extent non actions). And in answer to your second point, the shareholders are also at the mercy of the company. If the directors were so sure about the future of the company, they would I feel be buying shed loads of stock at these levels. Lack of action in this area speaks volumes about their confidence in the companys future.

With the extra market capital Stanelco can then progress without it they will continue with cash calls.

Again, I doubt how many institutions are doing to be willing to stump up more cash when they have seen their investment in the last call almost half in two months. Can you imagines what the top brass would say to guy at Fidelity Asset Management if he asked for more cash for SEO? Foxtrot Oscar springs to mind.

Everybody who has invested in stanelco have taken a massive risk to begin with. Firstly it's a penny stock, secondly the company have not sold their products. It was all based on expectation not facst and figures. So i would advise no more letters to the company complaining about there performance.

The fact that it is a penny stock is completely irrelevant to the argument. The massive risk taken by shareholders was increased by a factor or ten by the companys scandalously optimistic forecasts and updates of progress with the Greenseal project. Rightly or wrongly, acting on information provided, many investors were working on the assumption that with a successful Greenseal, that would automatically open other doors for Starpol and Wrap 100 because of the confidence and faith that the companys customers would automatically? have in their other products.

What it does need is support, ether show this by re-investing or just cut your losses and invest in a FTSE100 stock that will provide profits, dividends and security.

Genuine support will only come when the company has established a track of reliability and lose its reputation for unreliable information.

If you wish to take a further risk then "buy straw hats in winter" if you honestly believe that the company is secure, then there is no question... right now is the time to buy.

I agree that right now is the time to buy but only on actual and quantifiable contracts.

An open invitation to all to comment and to be a blunt as you like. That is what bbs are there for.

The oily one

Only got one thing to say.
The poster starts by claiming we are seeing a tree shake, then goes on to forecast a lower sp and a company going nowhere.
This is him arguing against his own belief.
A tree shake is usually associated with mm's trying to make people think something is drastically wrong, so they sell up and allow the mm's, or their larger / institutional buyers to build stock more cheaply than otherwise would be the case. This usually presages good news, or is simply a way for the big boys to get something they believe in on the cheap.
How you can follow this up with a monologue that goes on about a company being almost worthless and a potentially plummeting sp is a little beyond me. Or am I missing something?
Alan

Apologies all for the constant changing to the bold text. Have never got this completely right first time. Was trying to make the changes while talking for half an hour to my sister abroad.

Alan

Perhaps you may change your point above when you see that the bold types have changed since you made it. Sorry if it confused you.

The oily one