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Just read it again and it makes 2 references to Asda wanting Greenseal. One speaks of working with Asda and the other talks about Asdas future plans involving Greenseal.
Doesn't strike me as Asda walking away.
Strikes me as a positive move.
Alan

Alan,

Re your take on the Greenseal update. I read it exactly the same as you.
I just hope we are both right.
It's a pity that SEO can't just come out with a plain clearly explained update that takes away all doubt.

To follow - editing probs!!

I think they will, Greek.
I am very looking forward to the weekend now, to ask my imaginary friend what exactly was discussed at the conference regarding packaging (if anything), cos the timings seem a little co-incidental.
I will of course, let you all know what is said (if anything). Those of you who believe it to be voices in an unhinged head may choose to ignore those posts.
Alan

Oblo,
The word accelerate is also used. Can't find a negative, but I will keep trying. i am sure a few out there will help me look!!
alan

'ASDA have agreed to waive the exclusivity, which will then offer GreenSeal to non exclusive sites.'

So, there are EXCLUSIVE sites. So what has been/is the problem with conversions at the exclusive sites - why can deals not be signed for the exclusive sites?

Badly worded and ambiguous again. DO they ever make a statement which doesn't result in endless debate over what exactly the statement means - do they do this on purpose?

Bit of conjecture again.
What if the Greenseal machines were already in the exclusive sites. that is how the trials were performed and why some people found Greenseal packaging in their local Asda.
The trials have progressed nicely, but the delay has been due to non-exclusive sites pointing out the problems we have postulated today?
Alan

oblo, if they did that, then they would have no get out clause. personally, i think it's make or break time for seo. now let's see if greenseal is all it's made out to be. it's now open to all. there should be no need for further trials and there should be new deals announced very soon ............ that's if greenseal is actually worth having ........

Alan,

Then what was to stop the exclusive sites going commercial?

Exclusive sites surely would have to do what ASDA told them to, within reason.

Dont forget, we were told at the time of the AGM that this would go commercial in 8 weeks - which wasn't up that long ago.

So, looking on the bright side, is a 'gone commercial at exclusive sites' announcement imminent?

Bos - 'there should be no need for further trials',

I'd love to say I agree, but don't you think the likes of Sainsbury's, Tesco's etc would want to do their own trials? What kind of confusion would that present to the packhouses - unless the other major supermarkets also have exclusive sites, which is likely I guess.

What really matters here, is how many machines are to be installed and when. Still no update on this. What does accelerate the roll out mean, accelerate if from what?

Also what trials are STILL ongoing after 18 months?

Can feel another e-mail to SEO coming on!

oblo, there has been 18+ months of extensive trials for asda. what more do they need to trial? the best hope is that seo go back to the original plan of dealing with packers, that they now sign up to greenseal. it simplifies everything. but then again, a giant like asda couldn't force it on the packers. there definately are two ways of viewing this news, (isn't there always with seo!!!). interesting to see what happens next.

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you lot can talk for England

Bos, 'there definately are two ways of viewing this news'

We agree on that (!) , which is where I came in -

Badly worded and ambiguous again. DO they ever make a statement which doesn't result in endless debate over what exactly the statement means - do they do this on purpose?

But, (and you know I love to disagree), the statement does say it is done so that rollout can be accelerated. I see no other way of reading this other than the exclusivity was proving a hinderence to rollout, and its removal benefits both Asda and SEO.
It says nothing about further trials or packagers not liking it!!
alan

oblo,

Reckon you could well be right,The management could well want to put a positive slant on the news, rarther than let it being seen only in a negitive way,which indeed there is a positive side,as the song goes ALL WAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE.

Peter

I'll consider myself outvoted, then.
But I still feel fairly bullish about this news.
Alan

I'm with you Alan, i see this as positive news.
But yet again a Stanelco statement leads to confusion!

Alan, I'd feel more bullish if the statement had gone on to say 'and contracts have been signed at the exclusive packhouses to convert 100 machines'. I cant see what there is in the way of a statement of that kind now.

As I said, maybe its imminent. If it doesn't come VERY soon we'll surely finally know which way all this is going to pan out.

Possibly, Oblo.
But what if the end of exclusivity has been brought about by something we don't even know about?
What if Perseco has said one of its international clients wants Greenseal, but only if they can have it worldwide, UK included, and SEO have had to say to Asda, put up or shut up?
Ridiculous and far fetched, I know, but we have never seen or read anything to hint that Asda are unhappy with Greenseal.
I heard they may have question marks over its environmental credentials, and there are the delays, but that is all.
i understand the negative connotations that go with any news from this company, as they have let us all down so badly in the past, but i am not going to give it up now, based on no news, and a statement that can be taken 2 ways.
Alan