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What really matters here, is how many machines are to be installed and when. Still no update on this. What does accelerate the roll out mean, accelerate if from what?

Also what trials are STILL ongoing after 18 months?

Can feel another e-mail to SEO coming on!

oblo, there has been 18+ months of extensive trials for asda. what more do they need to trial? the best hope is that seo go back to the original plan of dealing with packers, that they now sign up to greenseal. it simplifies everything. but then again, a giant like asda couldn't force it on the packers. there definately are two ways of viewing this news, (isn't there always with seo!!!). interesting to see what happens next.

wow 18584 postings

you lot can talk for England

Bos, 'there definately are two ways of viewing this news'

We agree on that (!) , which is where I came in -

Badly worded and ambiguous again. DO they ever make a statement which doesn't result in endless debate over what exactly the statement means - do they do this on purpose?

But, (and you know I love to disagree), the statement does say it is done so that rollout can be accelerated. I see no other way of reading this other than the exclusivity was proving a hinderence to rollout, and its removal benefits both Asda and SEO.
It says nothing about further trials or packagers not liking it!!
alan

oblo,

Reckon you could well be right,The management could well want to put a positive slant on the news, rarther than let it being seen only in a negitive way,which indeed there is a positive side,as the song goes ALL WAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE.

Peter

I'll consider myself outvoted, then.
But I still feel fairly bullish about this news.
Alan

I'm with you Alan, i see this as positive news.
But yet again a Stanelco statement leads to confusion!

Alan, I'd feel more bullish if the statement had gone on to say 'and contracts have been signed at the exclusive packhouses to convert 100 machines'. I cant see what there is in the way of a statement of that kind now.

As I said, maybe its imminent. If it doesn't come VERY soon we'll surely finally know which way all this is going to pan out.

Possibly, Oblo.
But what if the end of exclusivity has been brought about by something we don't even know about?
What if Perseco has said one of its international clients wants Greenseal, but only if they can have it worldwide, UK included, and SEO have had to say to Asda, put up or shut up?
Ridiculous and far fetched, I know, but we have never seen or read anything to hint that Asda are unhappy with Greenseal.
I heard they may have question marks over its environmental credentials, and there are the delays, but that is all.
i understand the negative connotations that go with any news from this company, as they have let us all down so badly in the past, but i am not going to give it up now, based on no news, and a statement that can be taken 2 ways.
Alan

There is no question in my mind at all about this-its good news! Rather than being utterly dependant on one customer for the entire revenue generation of GS, SEO can start looking for others.

These means there has been an increase of the chance that some money can start coming in so they can stay floating. Right now my major concern is them staying in business, not whether the sp is going to rocket into the 20's

Who would have preferred for the exclusivity to stay and who for it to go,funny feeling most would be happier seeing it end,but its not knowing what is happening in the back ground that gives cause for concern,if there is anything to be concerned about is something we will all just have to wait to see.

Listen up you "rotten lot"

Can't remember who it was on the previous page, can't be bothered to go back and check, but my comment that it might have been EK selling yesterday at the close. It was purely idle conjecture on my part without any whiff of evidence to support it.

And the other point, is that I think EK bought at above 12p or near that level. So, if it was EK, it should be a comfort to those nursing a loss that there are more astute people than us who make investment mistakes.

Still haven't received a reply from the SEO board to my e-mail sent last week on Friday. Now there's a surprise.!!

Will chase them tomorrow.

The oily one

Trials
IMHO, the problem with so-called trials is that they rarely have a defined end. It is natural that any sales Director will not want to jepodise his/her position by installing a faulty packing-line - or a cheaper food that doesn't sell. So along with the trial to ensure the packs stay fresh, handle well, look good there will be customer feedback and this can take a long time....because a few of the trial packs will have to be sent to most stores for evaluation....and it's holiday time, staff shortages etc. So I'd expect the trials to drag-on. - Meanwhile the sp drifts on No News.......and they can't issue any news as the supermarket that's first will want an exclusive for a few months (anyone know? -is it six?) so they can bask in the Publicity of Eco-friendly packing.
The snag is that because it's exclusive, ASDA will want to be certain there isn't a flaw in the system, either at the consumer-end, or the packing (machinery) end.
It is a mightmare, that's my guess - and expect the same thing all-over when another store tries to conduct their evaluation.
Woa! betide the sp if there is a gkitch, or even a real fault in production quantitiess. Things rarely scale-up without a hitch.
I have a small (now!) holding from about 25p.

Oily,

Re EK. I read your post as I am sure you intended it, IE purely idle conjecture and could see nothing wrong with it. We see many posts with conjecture all the time. There is no harm with such posts if as yours did, they do not pretend to be anything but.

Oblomov,

Could it be that for exclusive sites to go fully commercial, they may need more than the one machine on line. This (if they do have one machine commercial) would gel with their previous statement that the exclusive period would end when that 1 machine reached such a stage.
As said, once again SEO could do better on clarity. It is this none clarity that is the main cause of conjecture.

My take is that the end of the Asda exclusivity period is going to do SEO a lot of good in a much quicker timescale than had it been extended. I think that it was a dumb move to have had it in the first place, and that's not written with glorious hindsight.

Totally agree Sharesure.

I know there was an Israeli company who were VERY keen to buy GS at the same time as the Asda exclusive period started. Hopefully some people like them, who were interested prior but couldnt get involved, can now start looking at Greenseal as an option again.

Al, (post 18589), I too felt that the announcement was positive - and managed to resist the temptation to put on my lawyer head and pick apart every last word in a search for hidden meaning.

However, the case is not yet made for me to risk my hard-earned on this one while the SP trend is so obviously negative, so the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned.

Just as I write this, the SP has finally gone green on my watchlist, so who knows, maybe revival is on the way ;o)

Alan,

I hope youre right . Im optimistic as well, but I still believe that, on the information we have been given, there is nothing now to stop Commercialisation at the exclusive sites. If we dont get that soon, there must surely be problems.

Also, dont forget that in the past 10 days we have gone from a two month extended ASDA exclusivity deal to a 12 month extended exclusivity announcement which was quickly withdrawn from the site and now a no exclusivity announcement!

This has the air of panic about it, Im afraid. How can we have three completely different situations in such a short space of time? Are we to expect a change of mind again soon?

Greekman,

yes, maybe, but how long can that take given that there are now no obstructions to commercialisation? It has to happen very quickly now, IMO, or it isn't going to happen at all.

Reading the Stanelco website posting, I would tend to agree with Hewittalans6 post 18562, ASDA have realised that most sites are non ASDA exclusive ie they pack and make food and meals for other supermarkets and if only say 5% of pack houses are exclusive to ASDA then this would compromise ASDA's aim to be totally green and produce less waste etc......what would be the point in announcing "5% of our ready packed meals and meat products are green"? On the downside, I think the pack houses are going to have to approach every supermarket they pack for with GS technology and get the thumbs up from all of them before any roll out happens as someone has previously posted and they are all gonna want to trial it which could possibly take months/years? The only thing that may speed this up and bring in big roll outs is some sort of future Government Leglislation, similar to RohS Compliancy & the WEEE Directive, otherwise I reckon it's gonna be slow progress, maybe small RNS releases like 10-20 machines converted here and there. The chance of a big major roll out is slim I think.