Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I was thinking that cynic , but i just put gobble gobble .

I am practicing what I have learned from my "betters"!

cynic but for an intelligent guy,
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Who thinks Fred's intelligent ? i think your the only one here who thinks that , he has a totally closed mind . Meaning ,thick .

Dumbo has been let out again!

He is intelligent , it's just that he is stuck in a mentality that prefers to defend against anybody who differs from his opinion with monotony and ridicule , and when your only ally does the same . Now if he saw all these posts as an opportunity to enlighten people with his experience a la cynic , then we may see some benefit .Well that's what i think .

cynic's not enlightening me today !

I was taught to examine my food before I put it in my mouth and swallowed it.

The same applies too much of what is posted on this thread.

I think I spend more time questioning and challenging false beliefs or conclusions, rather than defending "my" undeclared opinions.

was unaware that i ever did ........ have been working and also pretending to do so by the pool in 42 degree heat!

having a closed mind, does not prevent someone being intelligent ...... fred just chooses to be tiresome which is a shame ......

if he bothered to ditch his socialist nonsense once in a while and post something non-partisan, then he'ld be worth reading
however, he admitted at some point that he had no wish to write balanced opinion and that is something in which he succeeds summa cum laude

How do you defend undeclared opinions , if people haven't heard them declared , if you see what i mean , ( i have been in the sun ).

Manuel.

You do repeat yourself,

Habit of the wandering old.

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I don't feel the need to defend what "I think".

Also, don't think my beliefs are or should be universally held.

But I have been around long enough to see things come and go.

Intelligence has nowt to do with it!

Once a Red always a Red!

Well there you go , I personally think the EU is bad for Britain I really fear for us and many other countries too . I find it unbelievable that anyone favours it in the slightest .A unified Europe maybe but this is getting out of hand . The stuff i'm seeing and hearing about the way its run is demoralising .

Vicky,

"I find it unbelievable that anyone favours it in the slightest ."

That to me could be read as "perjorative" and "disparaging" of those who hold such views.

Using absolute terms, which suggests anybody who holds that opinion is less than credible.

It is a throw off, but is not debating the others argument, but the other person character.

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That is what I dislike about media run politics and Crosby and Cameron smearing
of opposition figures, but not countering and defeating their arguments.


Not saying that is a virtue only of the right wing in politics and certainly I have some pleasure in using it as a tool.


But it is one of the reason so many are dissalusioned by public debate and politics.

Suggest having a viewing of:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-36306438

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-36306438

World on the Move: Richard Dearlove

Former British secret intelligence chief Sir Richard Dearlove speaks as part of the BBC's World on the Move day.
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Well if you explain to people what your point is on each subject you may get their approval . On the first bit i didn't think i was addressing a Court , if you have to go to that level it's not worth it is it .

It depends on what you value.

I did have a view of the debate re Richard Dearlove and basically as i have thought the Turkish situation is possibly a future massive catastrophe for EU . It was all very polite as these things tend to be but he came across as someone who is well aware of the EU's faults and failings .

Yes.

But it would seem sensible to address the problems of the Eu sitting at the table not walking away.

But, personally, I can't see Turkey being admitted to the EU as a full member within the next 10-15years.

But you cannot load them with all the problems in the ME and walk away, especially as many of the problems were provoked by actions of the "West".

Call Me Dave has been sitting a various tables for the last two years.

What has he achieved except a total humiliation?

On balance, I think he did a good job. They were never going to give him much. No one else would have got more.