Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Tanker,

I agree with your sentiment in post 18714.

It still amazes me how corrupt politicians seem to have got away with cheap apologies over attempts to fiddle their "expenses" and yet have the gall to vilify said "benefit scroungers". Often the former spends more on a meal at the Carlton Club than the "scrounger" gets in a week.

Wisteria Dave and Andrew Mitchell seem to me, to have shown the true character the present government.


If you can get away with it, do it.

the police need to be informed of the crime

http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=15824#lastread

Good old Tories -):

MPs are above the law they can steal money and make it legal in there minds .
the leader of the house is doing all he can for the vpters not to find out about the latest fraud by MPs

•Halifax MP Linda Riordan renting her taxpayer-funded second home
•Fellow Labour MP Iain McKenzie pays her £1,560 a month in rent
•She is one of four MPs involved in the controversial practice
•It means she has three properties, two of which are funded by the taxpayer

•Speaker John Bercow in bid to prevent the naming of the others involved



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PUBLISHED: 23:41, 18 October 2012 | UPDATED: 08:33, 19 October 2012

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Three properties: The socialist MP for Halifax Linda Riordan

A left-wing MP is pocketing £19,000 a year from the taxpayer by renting out her second home to a Labour MP – while claiming thousands in expenses to rent a third property for herself.

Linda Riordan is today revealed as one of four MPs involved in the controversial practice of renting out their taxpayer-funded second homes to fellow MPs for profit.

The practice is technically permitted under the supposedly tough new expenses regime imposed in the wake of the expenses scandal.

But critics last night warned it broke the spirit of the rules – and recalled the worst excesses of the scandal that heaped shame on Parliament three years ago.

Commons Speaker John Bercow has now launched a bid to block the publication of details

What does it matter if an MP rents his accomodation from another MP. Better that they rent from an MP than another landlord.

If an MP rents out his property to another MP presumably they can keep the amount earned secret from the public.
So MP A has a property as does MP B and they both rent their properties to each other.
The fiddle is that as they can claim expenses from the rent paid, they could both gain on inflated rents to each other and claim the maximum of £20,000.
Also as they do not dwell in their own properties, they can also put any costs linked to the property, IE repairs, maintainance etc against tax, as anyone else can when renting out property.
If they lived in property owned in their own names, this would not be the case.
So once again they are using the tax payer to put more money in their pockets.
They say its legal, but I would call it fraud against the tax payer.
Morally disgusting.

Because they are is using the tax payers money to feather Their own nests while condemning others.

I think accommodation for MPS should be owned by the state for use for incumbents of HPs.

This would reduce the running costs of government and its efficiency, which we are all interested in doing.

Perhaps, reducing what many see as State Corruption.

There you go Tanker - I know its not from your usual 'daily mail' source.

MPs expenses: Up to 27 MPs get 'dual income' from London homes

As many as 27 MPs are claiming rent on taxpayer-funded second homes in London while also letting out other properties in the capital at the same time, the Daily Telegraph has claimed.

The practice is not against the rules but raises further questions about loopholes in the expenses system.

One MP said he had "no choice" but to rent out a property he owned and live elsewhere due to a change in the rules.

A different breed. Cremation reveals WWII veteran had 6oz of shrapnel in leg


The family of a WWII veteran have found out just how injured he was after about 6oz (170g) of shrapnel was found in his leg following his cremation.

Ronald Brown, who died last week aged 94, was injured in an explosion while serving in France in August 1944.

Medics left the shrapnel in his left leg as it was near an artery and thought it was safer.

Any Questions 8pm. R4 tonight: St Alkmund's Church, Shrewsbury.

Jonathan Dimbleby chairs a discussion of news and politics from St Alkmund's Church, Shrewsbury in Shropshire. Guests include the media commentator Sally Bercow, Health Minister Anna Soubry, The General Secretary of the RMT Bob Crow, and Nigel Farage from UKIP.

Should be a lively session tonight. You going Tanks?

If you stop the cross renting practice, then they can sell the property and rent one commercially which will cost the taxpayer as much if not more. There is always a way round these things.

I completely support the Christian couple who stood up for what is morally correct. It is a terrible inditement of our country that they are being persecuted for standing up against immorality.

Starbucks make very little money in our country so pay little corporation tax, but plenty of VAT, counsil tax, national insurance etc.

It won't be as beneficial, as if they sell the property they will be liable for several taxes, the main one being CGT, as it is not their main residence.
Also if they rent from the private sector, they would not be able to hide the cost so easily.
When all the details come out, which they will, I would put money on the main fiddle being over inflated rents to each other and putting those other costs I mentioned before against tax.
I also wonder how many are declaring any profits made as earnings to HMRC!

MP A rents his house out to MP B
MP B rents his house out to MP A

Both claim expenses for renting!

Nice little earner!

It is just the same cost to us if MP A and MP B rent from anormal commercial landlord. If they stop it then both MPs can sell and rent commercially claiming back the cost. They can then use the sale cash to buy 2 new properties and rent them out.

Haystack,

You are obviously totally ignoring the points made in my last post, which are facts.

Will the names of the culprits be published.

I can recall the following which I thought was a nice little earner.
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"United Kingdom Parliamentary expenses scandal

Jenkin was reported by the Daily Telegraph to have used £50,000 in expenses in order to pay his sister-in-law rent on the property he uses as his constituency home. Jenkin claimed that he was just paying "an honest and reasonable rent" for the property.[3]

On 27 October 2009 it was initially recommended that Bernard Jenkin pay back £63,250 by expenses auditor Sir Thomas Legg. This is the highest amount known to have been recommended after an audit of MPs' claims on second homes expenses.[4][5] This amount was reduced to £36,250 following an appeal.[6]"


"But that bloody unemployable scrounger who can't obtain a job should not expect to have a decent place to sleep at night."

Is this upright honourable government attempting to address problems (I think corrupt use of position) similar to this.

That would be turning on their own mates.

which ever way you put it .it is theft and should be charged with stealing tax payers money kick them out .

If they rent from the private sector then they don't need to hide anything as the rent is an allowable expense. If tge arrangements are legal then it is not theft or any crime. The real problem is that we don't pay MPs enough.