Tradman
- 14 Oct 2003 15:26
Good afternoon everyone!
I'm new to spread betting and trying to create a plan for day and short term trading.
Below are the rules I am endevouring to trade with but with mixed results.
I would be grateful for any help or comments.
1. Check whether NY stock market was rising or falling on previous day.
2. Check whether UK market/s are rising or falling - particularly market you are trading in.
3. Pick stocks trending upwards to go long - and downwards to go short.
4. Try to find stocks with prices moving firmly in one direction.
5. Check trade buys to see if the stock has liquidity - some stocks rarely trade big volumes.
6. Buy stocks trading with rising volume.
7. Look for stocks with low spreads.
8. Avoid selling on Fridays - people often unload shares before the weekend and price goes down.
9. Check if there is a best time of day to buy and sell.
10. Unless there is a good reason, buy after 10am when the spread is often lower.
11. Watch out for volatile shares - you can loose big time with a low share price and high volatility!
12. Decide a percentage profit sell price and stick to it.
13. Don't chase shares down to try and achieve a profit - sell and look for a new prospect.
14. Don't buy every day - if there's not a good prospect wait until one comes along.
15. Check news to see if anything may affect the price.
16. Trade in the direction of the market.
Sorry this is so long!
pericles
- 17 Oct 2003 09:47
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morning, down bet Ftse 100 Dec 4352 , see how it goes!
lewisroland
- 17 Oct 2003 12:05
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PERICLES - As I think I mentioned, I use Omnitrader to help find signals for individual shares - I'm not into Indices yet. I find OT often predicts accurate signals (depending on the particular share) but the price sometimes peaks too early to get in on a trade. The best use for Onmitrader seems to be as a starting point and to help with checking the character of the share - trending or volatile, etc.
CROC says you really need Level2 to help confirm direction before trading and I'm sure this would help to get it right when short term trading.
zarif
- 17 Oct 2003 12:06
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Pericles:
Many thanks will give it a shot and let u know
rgds
zarif
ps: please do us the honors by visiting and commenting good/bad on the dow thread
pericles
- 17 Oct 2003 17:27
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Hi lewisroland, I am not any sort of expert (zarif also pse note), but I am looking for trades abt a few days to a couple of weeks and OT seems to be a useful guide in a fluctuating market on the ftse over this year. when ftse trends as it did late spring nothing in OT picks this up that I can see,and I had another look today,this is an old problem I know and if anyone can suggest how I might know if ftse is in a new trend and that I shd ignore the sell signal I had from end of day yesterday I and lots of others no doubt wd like to know! In the meantime roland my latest resolution to do something with OT is in its 1st stage ,just a point or two up i think but much depends on the US tonight for monday am, which may invalidate tonights OT sigs. I get the ftse and sectors with my end of day, the level 2 woild seem to be good for day trading but i hope to hold for a few days when costs form a smaller proportion of the deal so I had thought level2 was not needed. It goes without saying that Crocs advice is highly regarded and i wwill think abt that, are you a level2 user , did you need to attenda course to get value from it? I will ask croc for comments I think. Zarif, I have lurked on your thread and enjoyed it, you have expert coposters i think. my interest in OT over days/weeks has come about in part because I found it vey hard to win on the daily Dow, I came to the conclusion that you need a direct access broker to keep dealing costs low and you have to give several hours to it every day,however if i think of anything useful to say I"ll pop up, (how about "good morning" !!) Good luck.P.
zarif
- 17 Oct 2003 17:36
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pericles:
Many thanks your reply and hope to hear from u on the thread(s)
rgds
zarif
pericles
- 18 Oct 2003 18:41
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Tradman, An interesting link on spread betting:http://212.38.89.86/spreads/spreads.htm Zarif it refers to the Dow in examples. P.
lewisroland
- 19 Oct 2003 08:56
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PERICLES - many thanks for the link. I've just had a quick look - looks very interesting! Will go back and explore.
hijeff
- 19 Oct 2003 12:39
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two points i take issue with.(1)not trading before 10am.the market can get things wrong easily from 8am till 8.15am and you should look hard at this period.(2) fridays in the main are up days rather than down.
pericles
- 19 Oct 2003 20:24
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This is a chart from OT from Jan showing with buy and sell,green/red arrows, brighter red being where the Kirshenbaum sigs are supported by others sufficent to merit a full buy/sell sig.If this chart goes up ok I will post a comment after.

pericles
- 19 Oct 2003 22:10
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I dont see any brighter red things, hey ho! This is based on the sigs received end of day and I have taken next day open figures. lewis I think there cd be a case for using level 2 to pick the moment of the day.low 10/1 3911 high 14/1 3948 +37 30/1 low 3505 +443 18/2l 3688 high +183 13/3low 3537 +151 24/3 high 3830 +2933/4 low3757 +73 9/4high3852 +95. All that looks good to me and I have never got near that with day trading/spread bets. The trend lines seem to me to be a possible way to avoid 6 false sells in a row!Any comments please? Hope my figures make sense. Normal success rate for the software was good again from20/6, you wd be short from 17/10 at abt 4350. I hope to put up a chart which is clearer to show more recent performance P.
pericles
- 26 Oct 2003 17:15
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Hi Tradman, Just a follow up on the above.My end of day signal gave a buy on FTSE friday and although this was not a strong signal I closed the down bet for 106 points at 4246 and bet up at the same price.so I have a few points in my favour on the up bet which can easily be wiped out monday am. I did the swap on fins when I saw the dow was gently trending up to end of day. How are you going with your plan? will you be using the Dow? not for me I think, anyway good luck.P. For any Omni Traders I have reverted to the default back test period of 250 days as with this setting a buy appeared back in Aug/jul and I thought I dont want to miss that if it happens again
pericles
- 26 Oct 2003 17:24
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Tradman
- 27 Oct 2003 16:35
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PERICLES - What plan! I'm still trying to formulate a spread betting plan that's reasonably successful. Omnitrader seems quite good at picking buy/sell signals but I find many are for slow movering shares not suitable for short term trading or not quoted by the SB companies. Looking at Level2 at the moment but need to find out much more for it to be of use to me. Have booked a 1 day course to improve my knowledge.
pericles
- 27 Oct 2003 19:48
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Tradman, I am using the OT signals on the FTSE for the time being, will be interested to hear abt the course though,Good luck P.
pericles
- 31 Oct 2003 20:17
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End of day shows a sell on ftse, closed dec long for +49 opened short all at 4295. Having problems handing control to a software package and waiting for the next signal!I did not believe ftse wd rise but the way I am using this is to stay in the mkt by taking reverse positions rightaway.This overcomes my dithering and as someone said "you have to be in it to win it" .With the signal tonight I find that the 350 list gives new buy/sell signals evenly balanced at 6 each.Recent days buys have outnumbered sells as you wd expect and by 22 to 4 on one occasion. P.
pericles
- 01 Nov 2003 21:06
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With regard to my previous postings I omitted to say DYOR and that applies to this interesting site
click here advice on spread betting & cfds.
pericles
- 03 Nov 2003 11:22
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Stopped ou at 4333 for -38. Obviously not wise to open futs fri eve. think I"ll lurk on Crocs thread f.t.b. P.