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alan
from your post 17297 on 16 june.

1) All PLA can be guaranteed GM free even if the source is GM crops as all GM signature is destroyed during the fermentation process of manufacture. However in reality the corn that goes into NatureWorks may come from genetically modified corn as about 50% of US corn has been modified in order to reduce the herbicides and pesticides used. NatureWorks has a cost offset programme set up that guarantees that if a company want GM free crop they will purchase that amount of raw material on your behalf and mix it with their regular stock. This way a company can honestly say they are buying GM free corn for the product. Alternatively NatureWorks will clean their plant and run guaranteed GM free corn if the order (and cost) is high enough. To make PLA you do not need GM crop, but in the USA a lot of corn has been genetically modified and most companies are taking a pragmatic view that it is better to use a partial GM source sustainable crop material rather than 100% fossil fuel material for food trays and other containers. NatureWorks could not sustain the world usage for PLA and as the demand grows other factories in various other parts of the world will produce PLA from non GM crop. Tate and Lyle have recently purchased the Hycail PLA pilot plant in Holland and will, in the fullness of time, be producing PLA from non GM stock. Others are following. Stanelco is talking to these companies on a regular basis. Whilst GM is a major world issue I believe the way to change things is to work with companies to change and by increasing the use of PLA world wide more factories will be built and non GM crop will be used. There are issues regarding GM in other crops, such as cotton and Soya and US cola drinks. About 50% of the worlds cotton is GM a great deal more Soya has been modified and the corn syrup going into US cola type drinks uses American corn, all of which makes the tiny amount of packaging made from sustainable products that may have come from GM crops a very small issue. Stanelco will purchase guaranteed GM free corn if its customers require it. Starpol 3000 has very little PLA, the main ingredient being starch, which is GM free European grown.

If I knew you were filing it for future reference I'd have been more careful in waht i wrote!!!!
;-)
Alan

And we still don't know what % the premium would be.

Alan if its ok with you I will get a copy of your post up to Holborn and ask for comments.

No, but we do know that Sainsburys stock every other type of GM known to man.
From that we can assume they have no great ideological problem with it, simply a marketing problem, which can be addressed by the arguments outlined above. That all GM signatures are destroyed in the creation of the product, and so it is possible to say that the product contains no GM crop.

Fire away MP.

alan
I found it while i was looking back, to find what they used the last 3.7m raised for sure they had a use for it not just running costs. Memory not so good now.

My contact is not available right now but I did speak to the Sainsburys helpline 0800636262 and the gentleman there assured me that none of Sainsburys own label products contain any GM ingredients.Ring him if you dont believe me.

Al, sorry, but my little lawyer's brain (I keep it in a jar by my bed) has gone into overdrive.

Are we saying a product is GM-free if the production process alters the nature of the ingredients to such an extent that there is no evidence of the GM left over? Surely the criterion should not be unrecognisability of the product's origins but rather that fact that it came from crops that were never GM in the first place.

A pork sausage is still not kosher even if you dress it up to look like beef.

I'm no scientist but as I read it the situation is that processing destroys the modified bit of the plant. All that is used is the starch, and this is untouched by tinkering with the genes.
if that is the case then I assume what Terry is saying is that one could advertise it as not containing any GM material (In much the same way as you could probably describe your sausage as not containing any pork ;-) ).
This would be true, even though the original crop was GM. Further you could say that the crops sourced to produce your Starpol was GM free, by allowing the precise quantity of GM free stuff you need to be mixed in with the batch in general. To a lawyer it may seem to be stretching language to breaking point. To an adman it is hum drum everyday stuff.
After all, Sainsburys are happy to say that all their own label stuff is GM free, but is that the same as not from GM based crops, where for instance, starch is added??
i don't doubt Mad Pad at all, but words can mean anything you want. After all, look at SEO's RNS!!!
Alan

AL, I understnad you, but I'm not sure how it will go down with the green lobby. I know the problem is surmountable, and it may not even be that serious depending on how high a profile the "Frankenfoods" issue gets regarding this product.

I referred to that In June, too. I was of the opinion that Asda / WM would not risk buying anything that, when they produced it as green, was shot down by the green lobby. I thought it was one of the causes of delay, then.
I doubt it would be too heavily attacked as it is so much better than the status quo, or the alternatives currently available. Surely the reply is it is better to be 75% green than 0% green.
Alan

Good reasoning. we shall see what happens. Thanks very much for your informative posts!

It's simple don't eat the wrapper!

As for the argument that it will decompose into the soil and effect new plants.
WELL THATS PLAIN COCK>
ask a scientist.

extract from alans post: re gm

Starpol 2000 is currently made as a polymer in Germany, however as sales grow franchises and joint ventures manufacturing plants can be set up where ever the material is required.
Tate and Lyle have recently purchased the Hycail PLA pilot plant in Holland and will, in the fullness of time, be producing PLA from non GM stock. Others are following. Stanelco is talking to these companies on a regular basis. Whilst GM is a major world issue I believe the way to change things is to work with companies to change and by increasing the use of PLA world wide more factories will be built and non GM crop will be used.

' Afternoon all

Been a bit busy of late.

Just a casual observation as a result of research I and a couple of investing colleagues have done recently.

I am pretty sure that if a major retailer wished to have their packaging in GM free material, without relying on the production process to "remove", or whatever it does to any traces or residue of GM material in the ingredients, then I am sure that it is not beyond the wit of man to have a factory that supplies only that retailer.

This would certainly apply in the US. And further, if company producing Starpol under licence had the space, they could easily split the factory into two areas if the situation demanded it - one area GM free and one not.

Having carried out our research, I am probably more confident in the future of this company than I was say three weeks ago and whilst not adding to my holdings, I am not selling.

But as soon as there is a contract, and I believe there will be one quite soon, with actual - meat on the bone figures - then I shall be robbing the Bank of England to get my hands on some more dosh to invest.

The oily one

Biotec already produce a GM free material: Bioplast GF 106/02

http://www.biotec.de/engl/index_engl.htm

No doubt if the demand for GM free boiplastics is such then the volumes we're expecting from Starpol would dictate that Natureworks could source GM-free material with negligible impact on the cost of PLA.

The fact of the matter is Sainsburys will not use Starpol which has been derived from GM crops as they have an anti GM policy and I they will not make an exception for food trays.So somebody from SEO needs to go and SELL THEM the idea of GM free starpol, how difficult can that be?

Sainsburys policy is based on what their customers want. their customers are, by and large, if slightly higher in the social pecking order, the same ones as Asda. if the Asda GS / Starpol reports are that customers favour it, and would prefer biodegradable with GM links than degradable without, then Sainsburys will change their policy.
I think it fairly safe to say that all the supermarkets watch each other and a succesfull trend in one, will be replicated by all.
Alan

Sainsburys distancing themselves from GM materials (even if destroyed in the convertion process) could by a policy not to encourage GM crops in the first place but more likely not wanting to get involved in selling controversial products.

If so why do they not boycott other crops that are proven to be harmful to its customers - like tobacco? After all this is also a very low margin yet comparatively high value item that requires higher levels of security in storage and display.

Is the word that springs to mind spelt with a Y or an I as it's second letter?
Probably Y as otherwise it appears to suggest horses.

Agree with you MadPad, SEO should be straightening them out - and fast.