Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

it looks like the majority of folk posting on here are for voting out .

From the people posting I agree JB, but it's early days.

As your now back Dil I refer you to the Football thread -):

Ed: For Dils ref. http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=15154#lastread

And a lot more will be voting out when the real figs get published, how can civil "servants" refuse to publish statistics which we all know exist.




Tell us true number of EU migrants: Whitehall is covering up the shocking figure ahead of EU poll, say MPs


HMRC refuses to publish figures that could have impact on EU debate
Up to 1.3million extra migrants are living in the UK, MPs claim
ONS figures show 904,000 EU migrants have arrived in Britain since 2010
But officials issued 2.2m national insurance numbers to EU migrants


By James Slack and Jack Doyle for the Daily Mail

Published: 22:40, 11 March 2016 | Updated: 08:48, 12 March 2016


The true scale of immigration to Britain by EU citizens is being kept secret by Government officials, it emerged last night.

Top civil servants, led by HMRC boss Lin Homer, are refusing to publish figures that could reveal up to 1.3million extra migrants living in the UK. If revealed, the data could have an explosive impact on the EU debate.

MPs said the public were at risk of being 'misled' ahead of the 'once-in-a-lifetime decision' over whether Britain should re-take control of its borders. Requests to get to the truth have been thwarted for more than three months, with time now running out before the June 23 vote.



Full story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3488434/Tell-true-number-EU-migrants-Whitehall-covering-shocking-figure-ahead-EU-poll-say-MPs.html

The Daily Snail criticising "Con" Party MP's now.. you couldn't make it up -):

Did you even read the article Stan?


Top civil servants, led by HMRC boss Lin Homer, are refusing to publish figures that could reveal up to 1.3million extra migrants living in the UK. If revealed, the data could have an explosive impact on the EU debate.

Up to 1.3million extra migrants are living in the UK, MPs claim.

Clearly.. did you Max?

So why are they refusing to publish official figs Stan?

To state that they don't have them is absurd, and a quite blatant lie.

How the hell should I know Max, ask your MP.

They wont answer MP's either Stan.

Ring any alarm bells?

Again take it up with your MP, who is it?

George Hollingbery

Oh dear you have my sympathies, looks like a typical good for nothing "Con" party oink.. best of luck.

He's a bum sniffer Stan.

So far up Dave's, he's almost invisible.

Most of them are Max, how people can't see it is beyond me.

Max,

One shouldn't expect to have honest figures from a party of neo-fascists neocons.

They have falsifying economic figures, employment figures and immigrant figures for years.

But, I suppose you get what you wish or voted for.

Neil Woodford, UK star fund manager, is an OUT:

9bn reduction in EU contributions for a start.

He also says, that even in the worst case scenario, potential trade tariffs of around 4%, fall well within the normal range of exchange rate movements.

There might be a hit to London commercial property prices from a Brexit as fewer firms see London as a 'gateway to Europe' but to off-set that we would be freer to do more trade deals elsewhere as non-EU companies find much less beaurocracy in their negotiations with us.

Overall, economic reasons give a 'nil sum' game result.

IMHO, the EU is only a 'political game'. To hell with it! There's even a big sign in our local outdoor town market saying: "Vote Out!"

My views if the exit vote wins. I feel Europe will fall into recession . Portugal along with Greece and Italy are heading for major problems in the next few months, With Germany the only power house left to bail them out. I see the public of Germany saying enough is enough. Massive pressure is bearing down on living standards.
The European banking system is carrying just too much debt. Most of the Eu countries
have nothing in place or indeed be able too afford to jack up their banks . They are too heavy in debt and will be unable to pay back loans.

There will be massive repercussions if Europe collapses by us leaving or collapsing still by recession with us still in. (take your choices, just how can it survive ?)
We will be affected by Eurozone troubles, with us in or out. You do not pick up new trade overnight. The stock markets will buckle.

What a mess. Most of the blame from me goes to Germany, a halt should of been called years ago.

A massive shock coming to our living standards, lets face it we are going to be a lot poorer than today.

I am of a similar opinion although I think it will play out slightly differently. I think it is ultimately a doomed experiment. They have gone for monetary union with the Euro before fiscal and political union. There is no overall controlling mechanism that can keep individual economies under control. That was evident in Greece where tax payment is optional.

Going to be interesting after any result for the future of the eu.

Bloody hell DC your cheerful this morning !