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No, but we do know that Sainsburys stock every other type of GM known to man.
From that we can assume they have no great ideological problem with it, simply a marketing problem, which can be addressed by the arguments outlined above. That all GM signatures are destroyed in the creation of the product, and so it is possible to say that the product contains no GM crop.

Fire away MP.

alan
I found it while i was looking back, to find what they used the last 3.7m raised for sure they had a use for it not just running costs. Memory not so good now.

My contact is not available right now but I did speak to the Sainsburys helpline 0800636262 and the gentleman there assured me that none of Sainsburys own label products contain any GM ingredients.Ring him if you dont believe me.

Al, sorry, but my little lawyer's brain (I keep it in a jar by my bed) has gone into overdrive.

Are we saying a product is GM-free if the production process alters the nature of the ingredients to such an extent that there is no evidence of the GM left over? Surely the criterion should not be unrecognisability of the product's origins but rather that fact that it came from crops that were never GM in the first place.

A pork sausage is still not kosher even if you dress it up to look like beef.

I'm no scientist but as I read it the situation is that processing destroys the modified bit of the plant. All that is used is the starch, and this is untouched by tinkering with the genes.
if that is the case then I assume what Terry is saying is that one could advertise it as not containing any GM material (In much the same way as you could probably describe your sausage as not containing any pork ;-) ).
This would be true, even though the original crop was GM. Further you could say that the crops sourced to produce your Starpol was GM free, by allowing the precise quantity of GM free stuff you need to be mixed in with the batch in general. To a lawyer it may seem to be stretching language to breaking point. To an adman it is hum drum everyday stuff.
After all, Sainsburys are happy to say that all their own label stuff is GM free, but is that the same as not from GM based crops, where for instance, starch is added??
i don't doubt Mad Pad at all, but words can mean anything you want. After all, look at SEO's RNS!!!
Alan

AL, I understnad you, but I'm not sure how it will go down with the green lobby. I know the problem is surmountable, and it may not even be that serious depending on how high a profile the "Frankenfoods" issue gets regarding this product.

I referred to that In June, too. I was of the opinion that Asda / WM would not risk buying anything that, when they produced it as green, was shot down by the green lobby. I thought it was one of the causes of delay, then.
I doubt it would be too heavily attacked as it is so much better than the status quo, or the alternatives currently available. Surely the reply is it is better to be 75% green than 0% green.
Alan

Good reasoning. we shall see what happens. Thanks very much for your informative posts!

It's simple don't eat the wrapper!

As for the argument that it will decompose into the soil and effect new plants.
WELL THATS PLAIN COCK>
ask a scientist.

extract from alans post: re gm

Starpol 2000 is currently made as a polymer in Germany, however as sales grow franchises and joint ventures manufacturing plants can be set up where ever the material is required.
Tate and Lyle have recently purchased the Hycail PLA pilot plant in Holland and will, in the fullness of time, be producing PLA from non GM stock. Others are following. Stanelco is talking to these companies on a regular basis. Whilst GM is a major world issue I believe the way to change things is to work with companies to change and by increasing the use of PLA world wide more factories will be built and non GM crop will be used.

' Afternoon all

Been a bit busy of late.

Just a casual observation as a result of research I and a couple of investing colleagues have done recently.

I am pretty sure that if a major retailer wished to have their packaging in GM free material, without relying on the production process to "remove", or whatever it does to any traces or residue of GM material in the ingredients, then I am sure that it is not beyond the wit of man to have a factory that supplies only that retailer.

This would certainly apply in the US. And further, if company producing Starpol under licence had the space, they could easily split the factory into two areas if the situation demanded it - one area GM free and one not.

Having carried out our research, I am probably more confident in the future of this company than I was say three weeks ago and whilst not adding to my holdings, I am not selling.

But as soon as there is a contract, and I believe there will be one quite soon, with actual - meat on the bone figures - then I shall be robbing the Bank of England to get my hands on some more dosh to invest.

The oily one

Biotec already produce a GM free material: Bioplast GF 106/02

http://www.biotec.de/engl/index_engl.htm

No doubt if the demand for GM free boiplastics is such then the volumes we're expecting from Starpol would dictate that Natureworks could source GM-free material with negligible impact on the cost of PLA.

The fact of the matter is Sainsburys will not use Starpol which has been derived from GM crops as they have an anti GM policy and I they will not make an exception for food trays.So somebody from SEO needs to go and SELL THEM the idea of GM free starpol, how difficult can that be?

Sainsburys policy is based on what their customers want. their customers are, by and large, if slightly higher in the social pecking order, the same ones as Asda. if the Asda GS / Starpol reports are that customers favour it, and would prefer biodegradable with GM links than degradable without, then Sainsburys will change their policy.
I think it fairly safe to say that all the supermarkets watch each other and a succesfull trend in one, will be replicated by all.
Alan

Sainsburys distancing themselves from GM materials (even if destroyed in the convertion process) could by a policy not to encourage GM crops in the first place but more likely not wanting to get involved in selling controversial products.

If so why do they not boycott other crops that are proven to be harmful to its customers - like tobacco? After all this is also a very low margin yet comparatively high value item that requires higher levels of security in storage and display.

Is the word that springs to mind spelt with a Y or an I as it's second letter?
Probably Y as otherwise it appears to suggest horses.

Agree with you MadPad, SEO should be straightening them out - and fast.

SEO need funds and fast. This really looks like the last chance saloon for a number of promising ideas and projects. High cash-burn and failure to deliver revenue streams and profits has so far taken its toll and its a pity for so many who have buried their heads in the sand for at least 9 months, I have to admire some people still content with the situation. The 12-month 200 machine deal exclusively for Asda was a poor deal which held SEO back and showed lack of knowledge of the markets. Some other reasons for failure with Greenseal could be:

1. Not enough packhouses dedicated to Asda with funds to purchase 200 retrofits.
2. Not all packs can be down-gauged to single layer films to provide total benefits
3. RF can be a slower process than some exisiting packing machines
4. Pack-houses would not take machines out in peak seasons.
5. Not enough trained engineers to cope.
6. USA mainly uses PP lidding which cannot be RF sealed?

If a finance rescue package succeeds then they have to focus on delivering a deal with profit streams rather than chasing several possible sales avenues. Starpol or Wrap are the most likely to generate sales with large companies and there is a possibility that they are so close to something good but the problem is the cash is running out. I personally would wait the cash-call before investing but despite SEO almost becoming a basket case right now it just might be worth having a few SEO shares in your basket over the next few months!!

Yes, you know I am out and have been since 21p despite being an initial advocate of SEO and Greenseal potential, I was honest on this board when I sold out and said that I thought market would not like the delays, I was right but am not here to gloat, I never expected it to be this bad.

I hope that finance is put in place to keep it going and yes, I am saying that there is every possibility that some good news is so close to fruition that when all is clear that finance is in place to provide at least a years work then it might be worth investing again.

Good Luck all those who still hold.

I've been quite for a while .An interesting few days reading, old names crawling out of the woodwork with hammers in hand ready to nail down the coffin lid , opinions, opinions and more opinions,all based on very few facts, doom and gloom and quite frankly, as far as I'm concerned , a right load of old cobblers because at least 90% of the posters over the past few days have absoulutely zilch knowledge of what is actually happening behind the scenes and have based their posts on either panic , the need to gloat or the odd word from someone they know who happens to have a vague connection with the packaging or supermarket industry

The above post is a prime example - sorry andy but considering you are out your post does gloat and is arrogant and condescending beyond belief. You talk as if the fat lady has lost her voice, but I can still hear her singing and and dont expect her to stop any time soon!

There has been some real research going on behind the scenes some of the results of that research have come my way and convinced me that SEO are going places.

Some may have the jitters because funds are at present low, but with several products that have the interest of some of the worlds largest companies , a few hundred thousand or even a few million is a minor problem, this is too big to flounder on such a tiny amount of cash - it is too important to the interested parties for them to allow that to happen.

Most of us still in have not remained so because our heads tell us this is right, we're still in because we know in our hearts it is right . We know this is going to be big, however rough the ride has been. Thats why SEO attracts the most posts of any share on the BB's and why the shares are so heavily traded.

We're looking at at a fledgling Microsoft or Tetrapak here - those of us still in, committed and confident know that -those others of you will realise it too late. This company is going places.

OBLO.

Agree with you.

Any one of potentially several imminent deals will transform the SP as well as the BBs !! I doubt that those who sence or know this will be gloating back, they will just be pleased their patience with their investment will be rewarding them in a once in a decade manner.

Sure there is a possibility it might not come to fruitition, but I very much doubt it.

Sleep well - I do!

Amities /. which does go to show that hope does spring eternal. SEO is flirting with no-one but the administrators which considering cashburn need not prove a bad thing in that they will be afforded protection from their creditors .. .But those of you who bought @ the 3/4p level { and there were many } and didnt sell while in the 20/30p parameter were either extremely greedy or patently ignorant of the mechanics of the market . .and perhaps learnt a good lesson . ALWAYS play the percentages and take what the market offers you .....@+ J