sivad
- 29 Oct 2007 15:34
- 1939 of 3050
Anybody who shorts on this is palying with fire-The stock has been shorted in the past and made peolple money-the fundamentals are in place to stop it happening again.
results though will be crucial as well as the forward statement.
The demand for the product is so intense I am long and will stay long.
ptholden
- 29 Oct 2007 15:47
- 1940 of 3050
I remember quite a few posters saying the same thing both here and on other boards all the way down from 6 to 5 and then oops to less than 2. Demand can be as 'intense' as it likes but SOLA must achieve reasonable profits at reasonable margins in line with City expectations, something they have failed to do during the last 12 months. In any event, as stated, my own short is very conservative so if it does go the wrong way I won't be suffering burns of any degree, just a minor blow to my judgement :)
pth
kitosdad
- 29 Oct 2007 16:30
- 1941 of 3050
Nice sensible post pth.
cynic
- 29 Oct 2007 18:27
- 1942 of 3050
i think PTH has disobeyed basics by pising against the wind ..... neverthless, i think the idea is correct; it's just that at the moment the markets think nirvana is nigh, whereas PTH and myself have a different opinion
Falcothou
- 29 Oct 2007 18:49
- 1943 of 3050
Didn't the lead singer of Nirvana blow his head off? May be the market thinks it's Kurt Cobain
ptholden
- 29 Oct 2007 20:42
- 1944 of 3050
Yes indeedy Richard, the trend is your friend 'n all. I did state quite clearly that picking tops and bottoms is a dnagerous sport and that I had probably jumped the gun, hope none of the lurkers followed me in. But it really is a small stake so no harm done or will be done :)
Just to reiterate the first four basics:
1. Check the overall market
2. Check the sector market
3. Check the current trend
4. Trade in the direction of the trend
And all four are up and these four take preference over the other indicators, which perversely all indicate short. Bit like SCHE Richard, I knew it was going to come off, but getting the timing right is soooo difficult.
However, a lesson re-learnt and reinforced.
As far as the overall market is concerned I strongly believe that the volatility over the late summer is merely the prelude to a real correction, I doubt we have seen anything yet.
Edit: Oh, SOLA will still come off, I'll bet on it :-).................again!!
pth
cynic
- 30 Oct 2007 05:01
- 1945 of 3050
i too think the markets are now far too far ahead of themselves.
cynic
- 31 Oct 2007 12:30
- 1946 of 3050
and i have now shorted these at about 471
kitosdad
- 01 Nov 2007 07:58
- 1947 of 3050
Morning Cyn, yep, I too think a pull back is due, but it's a difficult one to trade.
cynic
- 01 Nov 2007 08:20
- 1948 of 3050
shorted 5000 yesterday with no trouble
Greyhound
- 01 Nov 2007 12:36
- 1949 of 3050
I'm staying long for the moment
cynic
- 01 Nov 2007 13:12
- 1950 of 3050
both tenable arguments ...... i just think the markets are well overdue a sharp correction and i doubt SOLA will be immune given its strong performance over recent weeks - i.e. plenty of profits to be taken even without forced sales to meet margins elsewhere
cynic
- 05 Nov 2007 18:07
- 1951 of 3050
SOLA has been remarkably strong over the lst week, though today has seen a change in fortunes ..... no obvious reason, and would only be rationalising if i suggested a slightly stronger $ or even some peeps being obliged or feeling it wise to liquidate some positions.
goldfinger
- 08 Nov 2007 10:31
- 1952 of 3050
My shorts well in the money now.
Bad results and we really will have take off.
cynic
- 08 Nov 2007 10:47
- 1953 of 3050
i am short too at 472, so also nicely in the money ..... nevertheless sp remains remarkably resilient
goldfinger
- 08 Nov 2007 11:06
- 1954 of 3050
Yep but cynic theres a lot more bad news to come out of the US. And dont forget its got a very high beta.
This is going to lead us into a full blown bear imho.
Anything but remarkable results way outstripping forecasts will lead to sola taking one hell of a plunge. The balance sheet is a total mess.
Best of luck mate, not posting as much at the moment due to business comitments.
cynic
- 08 Nov 2007 11:32
- 1955 of 3050
US news is not strictly relevant ..... i suspect SOLA remains firm because much or even most of their revenue is in Chinese Yuan
Greyhound
- 09 Nov 2007 08:51
- 1956 of 3050
I'm happy to stay long here for the time being.
cynic
- 09 Nov 2007 09:04
- 1957 of 3050
and i am moderately happy to be short ..... at least it's sufficiently in the money to pay for dinner for 2 at say Waterside with enough for dinner at local Indian to spare
Greyhound
- 09 Nov 2007 09:07
- 1958 of 3050
As long as it's enough to pick up the drinks tab too ;)