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tonyrelaxes

Re M&S using Natureworks PLA; I don't think it is biodegradable without Starpol's ingredients which are patented. Anybody correct me if I am wrong.

Bet Natureworks had problems and delays when they were getting their new products to market.

The oily one

Oily.

M&S fruit trays Bio- or just plain degradable?
My failing recent/short term memory suggests they were the latter, but I will boogie-on down there tomorrow to check up.

binned one this afternoon. I thought they were de-gradeable, missus insists they are bio-degradeable (but not in compost heap).
I know better than to argue

Have a good bank holiday. At least the sp can't drop.
LOL

I am beginning to feel an overwhelming urge to scrape a few pennies together on Tuesday and buy more. Now lets see, who owes me money?? Mmmm ... just forgotten I owe somebody money for flowers and chocs. Bugger, well that's blown that idea out of the window!!

And, if I was really sure that nothing was going to happen with PET during the next three or four weeks, I might even be persuaded to do a shift of 50% from one to the other amongst my high risk stocks.

Anyone of a nervous disposition, do not follow my lead!!!

The oily one

Flowers and chocs?

You wooing anyone? At your age... Tut. Tut.
(I did see you at the AGM so have a general idea of age)

Oh Dear. I really did set the cat among the pigeaons with that NW reference.
I better not tell you all that supermarkets in the USA trialled bio-degradable food packaging a couple of years ago and binned it, because it degraded in the heat of people cars, and the carrier bags made from it fell to bits after half a block as people walked home (absolutely true).
USA are mad keen for biodegradable, though the Smithsonian Institute has cast doubt on its usefullness. They question whether landfill and other waste facilities are able to compost it effectively, though do conclude that a large take up may force waste companies to create the required facilities due to demand.
They also warn we should not kill the good in search of the perfect.
Alan

Alan

I do not think it is beyond the wit of man to produce a biodegradable plastic bag that does not fall apart in the heat before the shopping gets home. If that problem is common knowledge in the US I am sure that the companies producing grocery bags can overcome it.

That story tells a tale of poor quality rather than a technical impossibility.

Rant over.

The oily one

Agree completely, Oily.
I was only casting a bit of bread on the water. Keeping it balanced dontcha know!!
I am actually at my most confident for weeks, and feel really good about the back end of this year.
Alan

tonyrelaxes

..... and butter wouldn't melt in your mouth!?!

From memory, which I admit is not that good, I think that you are a trifle older than I. And rumour has it that you are Rushin around chasing women old? enough to be your daughter. Wish I had the stamina and time!

Anyway, you're just jealous. As one of my lovelies said in a class ... "You've got a lovely job, playing around with womens' bodies all day long and in large groups as well!"

Some of us have all the luck! Wish it was me.

Now about the share price.

The oily one

I predict that turkeys will be 1 per k by Christmas, will that do Oily?!
kim

Tony,
NatureWorks LLC has carried out compostability testing according to global standards at an independent testing laboratory and find''certain" PLA grades pass required testing. SEO"s Starpol is compostable with household waste so eliminates any doubt.

Natureworks also say "We are currently the only commercial company producing PLA on a global scale. There are currently several manufacturers of PLA in Japan and we will support their development efforts because their presence helps to continue to grow the PLA market."
I would imagine therefore that they will support any company producing an improved PLA product and this would include SEO. But, there again, they may now hate SEO as much as some of it's shareholders!! I'm sure they won't turn away business though
kim

Nah, 1/lb.

The oily one

Well I hope its not share certificates 1/lb! by Christmas.Still worried about the rats and starpol.

In my experience, rats will eat anything, whether edible or not.
If the contents are food, they will eat plastic, paper, wood or whatever to get to it.
My concern, though I am sure it has been well and truly addressed, is the idea of Starpol lying around in warehouses, stockpiled, ready to use. Will its biodegradability affect its storage qualities. In effect, does it have a use by time, and is this short.
Supply chain dynamics being what they are these days, companies buy on a last moment basis, and to keep supply of consumables steady, manufacturers maintain a steady output that averages itself throughout the year. The question is whether Starpol can be manufactured during the quieter months for Salad etc. (Winter) for use in the busy summer months?
probably nit-picking, and as I say, Asda & WM would have spotted this instantly, so I am sure its not a problem.
Alan

It often crosses my mind about how does it know when to biodegrade - especially as it would be in contact with raw or prepared meat and vegetables, or their derivatives, that biodegrade naturally. Reminds me of "How does a vacuum flask know whether to keep something hot or cold" or the story of the former England football captain who was given one by his equally well known wife and, on being told it keeps things hot and cold, used it to take some coffee and an ice cream to a practice session!!

Presumably it requires contact with other substances, microbes, accelerators etc and take a little time to commence. But where does this fit in with extended shelf life GS appears to give and it allegedly completely composts within 30 days in ideal circumstances, was it?

Hopefully the road outside my home presents ideal circumstances!

Regarding FDA approval for Starpol 3000 and Starpol Wrap, Is it assumed that both will be given approval (hopefully) at the same time or would they be regarded as separate products for FDA purposes?

Tony, "how does it know when to biodegrade" reminds me of how does paracetemol know where you have the pain?

LOL
The pain here spends so long in the bathroom I cannot get to the paracetemol bottle!
(Only joking, if she sees this. x)

Alan,

' In effect, does it have a use by time, and is this short'

My understanding of bio-degradble materiels is that they only biodegrade under the correct conditions - most are sold as 'biodegradable in X days under normal composting conditions.

Normal composting conditions, I would think, would involve bacteria and moisture coming into contact with the material. It is the bacteria that actually degrade the product.

Hence, if you store the material in dry bacteria free conditions, it doesn't degrade.

The polymer itself, or course, is made by bacteria - the bacteria create the material and then destroys it when it of no further use to us. Neat recycling.

Knowing my luck, all the bacteria will go on strike for shorter hours and more pay, and then we're knackered.
Or there will be an EU directive on bacteria working conditions.
Or martin Wagner will be targetted by the Bacteria rights league.
Things just don't go right in Al's World.
Alan