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Tony,
NatureWorks LLC has carried out compostability testing according to global standards at an independent testing laboratory and find''certain" PLA grades pass required testing. SEO"s Starpol is compostable with household waste so eliminates any doubt.

Natureworks also say "We are currently the only commercial company producing PLA on a global scale. There are currently several manufacturers of PLA in Japan and we will support their development efforts because their presence helps to continue to grow the PLA market."
I would imagine therefore that they will support any company producing an improved PLA product and this would include SEO. But, there again, they may now hate SEO as much as some of it's shareholders!! I'm sure they won't turn away business though
kim

Nah, 1/lb.

The oily one

Well I hope its not share certificates 1/lb! by Christmas.Still worried about the rats and starpol.

In my experience, rats will eat anything, whether edible or not.
If the contents are food, they will eat plastic, paper, wood or whatever to get to it.
My concern, though I am sure it has been well and truly addressed, is the idea of Starpol lying around in warehouses, stockpiled, ready to use. Will its biodegradability affect its storage qualities. In effect, does it have a use by time, and is this short.
Supply chain dynamics being what they are these days, companies buy on a last moment basis, and to keep supply of consumables steady, manufacturers maintain a steady output that averages itself throughout the year. The question is whether Starpol can be manufactured during the quieter months for Salad etc. (Winter) for use in the busy summer months?
probably nit-picking, and as I say, Asda & WM would have spotted this instantly, so I am sure its not a problem.
Alan

It often crosses my mind about how does it know when to biodegrade - especially as it would be in contact with raw or prepared meat and vegetables, or their derivatives, that biodegrade naturally. Reminds me of "How does a vacuum flask know whether to keep something hot or cold" or the story of the former England football captain who was given one by his equally well known wife and, on being told it keeps things hot and cold, used it to take some coffee and an ice cream to a practice session!!

Presumably it requires contact with other substances, microbes, accelerators etc and take a little time to commence. But where does this fit in with extended shelf life GS appears to give and it allegedly completely composts within 30 days in ideal circumstances, was it?

Hopefully the road outside my home presents ideal circumstances!

Regarding FDA approval for Starpol 3000 and Starpol Wrap, Is it assumed that both will be given approval (hopefully) at the same time or would they be regarded as separate products for FDA purposes?

Tony, "how does it know when to biodegrade" reminds me of how does paracetemol know where you have the pain?

LOL
The pain here spends so long in the bathroom I cannot get to the paracetemol bottle!
(Only joking, if she sees this. x)

Alan,

' In effect, does it have a use by time, and is this short'

My understanding of bio-degradble materiels is that they only biodegrade under the correct conditions - most are sold as 'biodegradable in X days under normal composting conditions.

Normal composting conditions, I would think, would involve bacteria and moisture coming into contact with the material. It is the bacteria that actually degrade the product.

Hence, if you store the material in dry bacteria free conditions, it doesn't degrade.

The polymer itself, or course, is made by bacteria - the bacteria create the material and then destroys it when it of no further use to us. Neat recycling.

Knowing my luck, all the bacteria will go on strike for shorter hours and more pay, and then we're knackered.
Or there will be an EU directive on bacteria working conditions.
Or martin Wagner will be targetted by the Bacteria rights league.
Things just don't go right in Al's World.
Alan

"Hence, if you store the material in dry bacteria free conditions, it doesn't degrade."

So make sure you don't clamp your shopping under your arm while fumbling for your car-keys.

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patel04

Yea me to mate but I won't say what happen afterwards ..... well not on a public bulletin board

Neety
FDA have already approved Wrap 100 and it is being trialled in the US.

Starpol 3000, my secret source tells me, has approximately 10-14 weeks to go before it gets approval which, given it is an upgrade of Starpol 2000, should be a formality.

The oily one

Just trawled through about 4 pages of post (no time before).
Just posting to say thanks to all the hard workers who posted some very interesting posts. Very informative and although we have been bitten more than once, things are (hope I am not jinxing it) looking better than any time in the last few months.
Thanks all.

Oily, thanks mate,
I thought only Starpol 2000 had been approved and SEO were still waiting for S3000 along with Wrap100.
I've been so behind lately with my few companies and have been trying to catch them all up at once which may have led me to be a bit confused.

Now, remind me, when do SEO start drilling again?

Come on Neety, keep up. They started drilling ages ago and to date all their exploration "wells" have been pretty dry!!

But, I believe the seismic on their new targets has been improved fantastically so we should be striking oil very soon.

The oily one

Al anyone if your still here
Just back from Italy, cant be bothered again to read all the posts, fill in please. My prediction of 20p hasnt materialized.

Driver,
in summary...........................??????
If you remember me e-mailing you before you went on your hols, then all the speculation appears to be accurate. WM are hosting the sustainable packaging forum this year (again), but this time SEO are co-hosts. Thing is they are so skint, they are having a whip round for the air tickets and the CEO is booked in to a YMCA.
Starpol may or may not be a food source for rats but it is definitely no good if you keep your salad in your fish tank. 24 product lines at WM have trialled Natureworks PLA, and part of the delay was something to do with printing on Starpol (we think) .
Somebody somewhere has designed a print unit for GS.
Thats about it really, except we explored einsteinian physics as regards GS and found that if I type this quickly enough, you can read it before you go to Italy and watch massive amounts of lava disappearing back into vesuvius crater, where it will land safely on Frogpack.
I don't think I missed anything.
Oh yes. Concensus seems to be that SEO will have a better Christmas than Bernard Matthews.
Hope you enjoyed Italy,
Alan

Al
Cheers Al, I will be able to sleep now tonight, I think.