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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

TANKER - 14 Dec 2012 09:27 - 19632 of 81564

The nurse found dead following a hoax call to the hospital treating the Duchess of Cambridge criticised senior colleagues over her treatment in one of three suicide notes, it has emerged.

An inquest heard that Jacintha Saldanha, 46, left three emotional suicide notes following the prank call by Australian DJs Mel Greig and Michael Christian.

But it has emerged today that in one of the notes she has criticised colleagues at the King Edward VII hospital over her treatment following the controversial call.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247848/Jacintha-Saldanha-Hoax-nurse-left-suicide-note-criticising-senior-hospital-staff-treatment-days-leading-death.html#ixzz2F16dh3As
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TANKER - 14 Dec 2012 09:29 - 19633 of 81564

SP IT LOOKS LIKE HER COLLEAGUES ARE THE REASON FOR HER DEATH
were they taking the .... out of her

Fred1new - 14 Dec 2012 09:48 - 19634 of 81564

Tanker,

No.

Her own actions, based on her own view of her own "life" and actions, the "comprehension" her own life and the "choices" she had in the moments before committing suicide.

I agree, if her "positioning" had been recognised by others, they may have been able to intervene and enable her to modify her evaluation and take a different course.

But, that is easily said, but in some cases difficult to do.

There will probably regrets all round.

TANKER - 14 Dec 2012 09:58 - 19635 of 81564

fred for once you have it the button

mnamreh - 14 Dec 2012 10:00 - 19636 of 81564

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Fred1new - 14 Dec 2012 10:09 - 19637 of 81564

N,

Multitude of "reasons" for committing suicide.

Sometimes, it would appear a sensible choice.

Depression, or those with a bleak outlook, or expectation would appear more prone to that choice.

Personally, murder springs to my mind more often.

8-)

Fred1new - 14 Dec 2012 10:13 - 19638 of 81564

I hope George has Xmas and only the UK is committing suicide:-

"Standard &Poor’s Rating Services Thursday became the third of the big credit-rating agencies to threaten the U.K. with the loss of its prized triple-A credit rating, a more that came hours after Chancellor of the Exchequer said keeping the government’s borrowing costs low is more important than retaining its top rating, S&P, which joined Moody’s Investors Service and Fitch Ratings in placing the U.K.’s government-debt rating on negative outlook, said there was now a one-three chance it will lower its rating in the next two years if the country’s economic performance continues to weaken. S&P’s move comes just after Mr Osborne told lawmakers in parliament’s Treasury Select Committee that although losing the country’s triple-A rating “ wouldn't be a good thing,” it was only one test of sentiment toward the U.K’s economic policy.

mnamreh - 14 Dec 2012 10:15 - 19639 of 81564

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Fred1new - 14 Dec 2012 10:23 - 19640 of 81564

Hays,

What is the current party spiel on his comments?

Fred1new - 14 Dec 2012 10:28 - 19641 of 81564

Stan and i%%!!!,

Hope all arrived home sober and not the worst for wear.

Must meet up again earlier in the new year, preferably in a quieter pub with free beer!

8-)

One with home made pies might bring back memories.

Stan - 14 Dec 2012 10:42 - 19642 of 81564

"Hope all arrived home sober and not the worst for wear." Well I arrived home but not sure about the sober bit -):

VG to meet up again and enjoyed it. Yes the new year meet sounds good.

doodlebug - 14 Dec 2012 11:07 - 19643 of 81564

If I could just add my tuppenceworth about this poor nurse and her family. Depression is an illness and quite often people don't realise they are suffering from depression until something triggers a reaction and causes someone to snap, quite often with disastrous consequenses. Depressives very often bottle things up and can't talk to their loved ones about how they feel. Her colleagues probably had no idea about how badly she felt about what had happened. If anything good can come out of this it will be a better awareness in our society about how vulnerable some people can be.

3 monkies - 14 Dec 2012 11:33 - 19644 of 81564

Whole heartedly agree with you doodlebug as I tried, not as well as you to explain in an earlier post today. We are all vunerable to a degree.

greekman - 14 Dec 2012 11:49 - 19645 of 81564

Although depression is talked about more openly, there are still many situations where to admit you have depression and need help can have adverse consequences in your job.
In my old job, way before counseling' whenever we dealt with a harrowing incident, we usually all got together with a few drinks and talked things through.
Nine times out of Ten this was all that was needed.
Since the rise of 'The Councelor' and compensation culture almost everything out of the ordinary requires councelor time.
Problem is that if you need counseling or admit depression' it can often go against you re promotion or even staying in certain 'units'.
We have reached the ridiculous situation where we now have Firemen who because of stress, can't attend fires, Ambulance personnel that cant attend accidents and even Traffic Police who can't attend serous accidents, but are still retained in the same roles.
Whilst I sympathies greatly with anyone who suffers from PTSD or any form of depression surely common sense should mean that they either have a break from the job or situations that caused the PTSD or that they can no longer do that job.
As to the specific case of the stress caused to the Nurse, it reminds me of the Ross and Brand phone call to Andrew Sachs.
There are many people out there who feel that anything goes for a laugh, without considering the circumstances.
Most of these idiots don't have half a brain cell between them and will never learn!

Davai - 14 Dec 2012 13:15 - 19646 of 81564

I wonder who or where the blame would switch too, if the two DJ's were found hanging as a result of this...

doodlebug - 14 Dec 2012 14:09 - 19647 of 81564

I hope I'm not wrong, but I don't think that is going to happen simply because they have been openly talking about their pain, grief and remorse. It's when people bottle things up and can't articulate about how they feel that they then resort to desperate measures.

Fred1new - 14 Dec 2012 14:38 - 19648 of 81564

G.

The few pints and a chat, often did not resolve the problems and led to a culture of high intake levels of alcoholism within the Polices force over various periods.

Sometimes a "chat" with the "boys", or "mother or father" figures may help to put things in proportion, or evaluating the "trauma" and resolving possible "feelings" of failure, or realising that many more would temporally fail in similar situations.

Similar is done by a long walk on a beach etc..

But not always.

----

Doctors, the general public, health professions and psychotherapist often misdiagnose or confuse the emotional state of their clients etc..

The aetiology of the symptoms being presented, or not presented, by the "distressed" individual.

There is a tremendous difference by those suffering from biochemical depression and being unhappy, dissatisfied by their lot ect.. The help or treatment should be modified to attempt to treat of modify the effects of the aetiology.

There is also a tremendous variation in the states group as "suffering from anxiety".

Previously the medically over treatment this group by medication was eventually to the their detriment.

Many times. if instead of suppressing the symptoms with alcohol or tranquillisers the question "what are you anxious about" was asked, maybe coping mechanisms, or models of coping would have be more useful.

Again, this is simplistic and easier to say but more difficult to do.

But the application of "home spun psychology" has its own problems. Win some, lose many.

greekman - 14 Dec 2012 15:59 - 19649 of 81564

Their open remorse is because of the suicide, not because they feel guilty of the calls made.
Its a bit like the 'sorry it was an error of judgement' we get from the fiddling MPs when they are caught out, when what they really mean is 'they are sorry they were caught'.

TANKER - 14 Dec 2012 16:00 - 19650 of 81564

just back from visiting some young girl who as got cancer
she wants to live and some one takes there life
i no who i feel sorry for and it is not a sucide person

TANKER - 14 Dec 2012 16:02 - 19651 of 81564

if she was a proper nurse and mother she would not of done it
she should of gone down to the local hospice and no what suffering is
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