Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Seeing as different views on the subject are being aired on here, i completely agree with Tanker. It is dangerous to assume that the phonecall that she (merely) took from the radio station was any cause whatsoever. Was it rational behaviour? Of course not, it may well have been the 'straw that broke the camels back' however, we do not know that and to ruin others lives in light of this is jumping on the bandwagon somewhat.

You have to be in a pretty bad state to take your own life and one wonders how this wasn't noticed by fellow nurse's/co-workers/managers etc... you could argue they are equal of blame as could be her very own family.
If she has attempted to take her own life in the past and indeed been prescribed anti-depressants, then she has been let down badly by the system and there are a lot of other figures in the queue in front of the DJ's to point the finger of blame at. Should she really have been at work at all considering her type of job...?

DAVAL thank you the facts are there for all to see .
the family let her down for sure they turned there backs
to her problems ,
a very loving close family
???

Post 19737 - uncanny :-)

So what are you saying skinny? :-))

Dreams,

"mess"

What mess?

Go outside and have a look around.

Wait for the accumulating effects of the quick, quick, reverse government policies of Cameron and Georgie Boy over the next 6-12 months. They are a disaster which is happening.

At least some in the tory party are seem to be plotting to get rid of them. What a rag bag the party has come to be!
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Happy New Year.


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Seen a few like Ed Balls trying to play rugby for English sides. 8-)

You know what I mean Fred. :-)) Happy new year.

Davia,

Churchill went to work with his "black dog".

Suffering temporally from, or having and ongoing "depressive illness" or "anxiety state" doesn't necessarily mean that they can't function "relatively" normally in society, or that all those affected should withdraw, or should be withdrawn from society when so affected.

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Incredible that such a suggestion could be made!

"Greek tax cheats list altered to hide names -court sources
By Harry Papachristou ATHENS (Reuters) - Greece's government backed calls for a parliamentary probe into former finance minister George Papaconstantinou on Friday after prosecutors found that names of his relatives had been deleted from a list of possible tax cheats he handled when in office. Papaconstantinou, 51, who negotiated Greece's first international bailout in 2010, denied he changed the list after receiving it from French authorities two years ago, saying he was not aware any family members were on it."

Good to see "our" coalition government doesn't have any problems.
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Memo urges Lib Dems to criticise Tories
By Iain Watson Political correspondent, BBC News
Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg The memo urged Lib Dems to criticise their Tory coalition partners

Lib Dems have been encouraged to criticise their Tory coalition partners as well as the Labour opposition.

In a leaked internal memo, senior Lib Dems were urged to spread the message that the Conservatives cannot be trusted to help build a fairer society.

The Deputy Prime Minister has told colleagues they must keep the coalition anchored in the centre ground.

But the memo suggests voters should be reminded that the Tories wanted to "look after the super rich".

The memo from a senior Lib Dem official to Lib the party's MPs, peers and staff says that before the Lib Dems got into government "no one could stop the Tories from looking after the super rich while ignoring the needs of normal people".

It lists a series of Tory policies which the Lib Dems have successfully blocked, including measures "allowing bosses to fire staff at will".

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D and G, is trying to work out where his problems are, the left or right of the party, the libs, or Europe.


The fun of power!

She suffered multiple organ failure and a heart attack following the brutal assault on December 16 which has triggered violent public protests.

Her horrific ordeal has galvanised Indians to demand greater protection for women from sexual violence with mass demonstrations, candle-lit vigils and street protests with placards, chants and road blocks. One policeman has died in the protests.


Hundreds of armed officers and riot troops patrolled the capital, closing down a number of metro railway stations and asked people not to travel into the city.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254504/Indian-gang-rape-victim-dies-Singapore
what kind of creatures are those in india

Cherie Blair CBE for charity work
Cherie Blair is made a CBE in the New Year Honours

takening the piss are they not it just shows what a farce the honours have become

Tanker,

How many times did you read the DailyTails article?

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P 19749

Having difficulties, but agree.

to change the subject somewhat .... we should be very thankful indeed that we (uk) does not suffer from the insane american system ...... there, a strident, hard-line minority (t party) can hold its own party (republicans) to ransom, and thus bring the country close to ruin ...... additionally, it makes america a complete laughing stock.

here, the lords can and does monitor, debate vociferously, and filters out a good proportion of the excesses of acts that are proposed by parliament

that said, the lords can only block a bill twice (i think) ...... after that, parliament calls the shots.

as individuals, we may not like the result and indeed parliament assuredly gets things (badly) wrong on occasion, but at least a decision is made.

Cynic,

Yes.

I think the American system developed as a "protection" against a new "dictatorship" taking over.

Ours as an attempt to protect a "dictatorship".

Both "systems" have failings.

Reform in UK is necessary, but the replacement of the "Lords" probably needs a reviewing chamber with the ability to refer back to Parliament, but not to block administrative actions.

Those “co-opted”, or “coerced” into that body should in general be non-political, (if possible,) and have “expertise” and be representative of the various areas of a “modern” society and have a limited tenure of “office”, before re-appointment.

Membership of the body could be on a rotating overlapping of 3-5 year basis.

Preferably, the body should be small in number and by appointment rather than “election”.

(Similar to the civil service. 8-))

why "small in number" and by that, how many?

i think the lords is much less partisan than their individual labels may imply, and there are certainly many more with wide experience in business and/or politics than in the commons.
for that reason, i would be reluctant to make the lords "rotating" which implies that once you'd served your term, you are out, regardless of your "quality"

Cyn,

If they are being paid, then in view of "austerity" policies the smallest number possible.

(You and me.) 8-)


But a review body, could consist of "consultancies of the greater and good" with broader based overview body.)

I don't see why the total number should be more that 100 individuals with the "authority" to draw in necessary "advisers", if necessary.



By rotating did not mean that one could not be re-appointed, but "tenure" could be reviewed at 3-5 year intervals.

I agree about the house of lords having many talented and socially minded individuals , but they also have a lot "disconnected" buffoons, collecting their "expenses" without any positive input and any valid reasons for being there other than their "said" genes.

you are in danger of creating the civil servants dream ..... an organisation full of quangos and other nonsense, all of which will require a hoard of helpers, researchers and other support staff

i think you are a bit harsh on some of the incumbents ..... they may well be just bone-idle!

Born idle! Most appropriate!

The reason for 100 and ability to take short term advisers.

do the civil service mandarins pay you a retainer?