ANYONE KNOW WHY THE ROYAL BANK OF SCOTLAND IS SHOWING A SHARE PRICE AROUND THE 6.59 MARK WHEN IT WAS 18.00 OR SO THE OTHER WEEK OR AM I GOING STRANGE?????????????

i was told that for every brit leaving, 2 gypsies/thieves etc come into uk....so if about 40 million brits leave, that means 80 million more thieves etc come here.....so when u come back, all the shops will be raided etc

It is pretty obvious if you look at volumes that share prices are being marked down by mm's, and shorters are using cfd's etc to push prices down. Eventually the FSA may wake up and freeze all short positions, then some sanity may return to the market.

The most sensible thing I have heard on these boards for along time.

It is blatantly obvious that sp's are being deliberately manipulated downwards particularly in all of the small stocks. Hedge funds and MM's have the power to destroy companies and it is about time there was intervention to stop it before the world rolls into complete recession.

According to The Daily Telegraph,the EU are looking at the financial shenanigans of the markets, and using the existing laws of competition. They are discussing ways of banning the practice of borrowing shares to short a market, due to the speculation that is occurring in the oil industry.
As long as they don't go and make these markets as open and above board as the EU itself. Talk about pot/kettle/black.

so they will wait till banks are ....and housebuilders go bust....and shops, supermarkets go to very cheap values....airlines r knackered,,,,....pharmas r disillusioned.......

i think prozac shares are only ones to invest in.....oh and undertakers when folk commit suicide....that and getting murdered in this country

Yeh say hello and wave goodbye.

Christ if this carries on we'll all have to move to Scotland...

aye, well theres lots of english here these days, about 20%......i cant understand all the rants between the 2 countries in recent years which seems to be getting worse....semms england r resentful cos they here we get things cheaper or free....i can assure you most of info from tv news is NOT TRUE! its just propaganda.

anyway theres scots in england and english in scotland....as we r BRITISH

god bess the union

In Turkey went to Effeses (can't spell) and saw the ruins of roman times.

Old Hadrian had a temple there in his name although what this has to do with RBS I'm not sure!

aye, the romans built a famous wall in scotland too....but no-one seems to rant about it the same way as hadrians wall

Maybe 155 is a little optimistic in the short term, I may up my next entrance a little, could be 165 or 170 on a bad day.

Noticed that the last two days have seen good buying volumes over sells, could other investors be starting to see a bargain ?

In the papers today one City analyst Supermum Hollick said the market will fall for 2/3 years before it rises again.

I believe Banks will continue to fall.

Have people got it yet..

hollick was one that got massively burnt in 2001 when going long big time........i imagine she is being miles over cautious now.

sounds like a stupid bitch to me telling everyone not to deal in shares for another 3 years when we been battered for a year already. if that happened, all shares would be hammerred

I dont think its all down to short sellers that these shares are friendless. I see the massive proposed divi yeild of 15% + and take it that the market is saying "we just dont beleive you can pay at this level" We will perhaps in time for Christmas be entertained bymost banks saying " yeah but we ARE going to pay our divi", and not telling at what level. Spot the misspeaker(s) !

In the weekend press several analyst were suggesting that the time was ripe to 'get back in' whilst others were advising to keep out for further drops.
Some were predicting that the market has reached a bottom, whilst some were predicting further drops with a bear market lasting anywhere between 1 and 3 years. Also if you peruse the Share Tip Sheets, sometimes the same stock is a sell/hold/buy depending which analyst is tipping. Well one of them must be right! But it goes to show that at the moment, the reading the tea leaves or taro cards system of stock picking might be as good a way to go as any, (my tea leaves said buy TANFIELD).
I defy anyone to say they can call the market under the current trend, without a big slice of luck.
As to the banks, Yes I also feel some will fail re viability as independent institutions and consolidation (perhaps by foreign banks/financial institutions) will be the way to go, but as for a major bank system failure IE several going under, yes it could happen but if it does the world we be in such a mess, it may be too late to care.
Armageddon perhaps.
As for the Supermum, she might just be right but there again she could be talking a load of 'Horlicks'.

i reckon horlick is talking shite again.

agree that analysts are all over the place with predictions....even ftse predictions are wild with predictions......but market has now fallen for about a year already.
i think this is more of a banking / financial crisis......and with peoples debts now high which is unheard of in market before due to housing rocketing which again is unheard of.....these 2 things make retail etc crap.

bear markets on average are 13 months.....so u think we are about to finish......but us election is on its way and market bounces then.

i think market will crash to 4500 by oct / nov and then bounce back......markets predict a year in advance rewmember so sp have risk of bad news built in already.

i certainly dont believe a total of 4 year bear market.....what a stupid cow

IMHO I feel the biggest threat to global markets at present is IRAN and when/if Israel attempts to take them out.

last bear market was by events fro dot com, trade towers, iraq war.

this is a banking crisis / housing at present. i think we had one in 1970s.
agree that iran would hit markets big......but if i does happen, it wont happen till after nov as israel will wait till adter us election at least.

in which case, its early next year......but when iraq war started, it only lasted a short while....and israel will only target nuclear facilities, not major cities etc.....so dont think the impact will be as bad as you might fear

An experiment was done in NY with the 10 most successful hedge fund managers, and a gorilla(from the zoo I think)

Teh gorilla was trained to throw darts at a dartboard that had a top selection of companies/commodities/currencies etc.

Teh hedge fund managers were given the same investments to work with.

Over a period of time-several months I believe, the gorilla was outperforming the HF managers by 30%.

The moral of the story is....DON'T MESS WITH IT, EXPERTISE IN THESE MARKETS COUNTS FOR NOTHING