Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Tanker,

I know a great number of immigrants and the majority of them are employed, or members of families where the expected ratio of those working is the same as that for indigenous families.

Many members were employed doing low grade or manual jobs before becoming "artisans" or "management” level jobs. Later, some of those individuals have moved into professional, self-employed, consultant level areas, or academic areas of the economy.

Probably, they have returned more to society than some "lazy" or "lucky" individuals born in this country.

As far as many those who have come to the UK over the last 10-25 years is concerned, the majority came because of the expectations of getting "work", earning money and being able to help those left behind. Also, they hoped to have a reasonable standard of living. (Getting on their bikes.)

Also, many of those immigrants show greater "potential" and “abilities” than the home grown "lot".

There are some, as in all aspects of society who are villainous (even some on this board) and should be weeded out an dealt with appropriately.

But whole-scale blind folded vilification and yobbish criticism like you seem to enjoy and indulge in, is of little benefit to any other than your own satisfaction and yourself.

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I think all, if they are capable of doing so, should return something of "use" to society, for the “benefits” they obtain.

I think that those who are "unemployed" and "dependent" on the “state” could after a period of perhaps three months be expected to attend “work” in doing “social” work (improvement to environment, care etc.) of one form or another, for a period of 6-12 weeks.

(Doing so might improve the environments in which they live.)

The reward for doing so for those periods should be above the “benefit” level. The “work” experience would be on a rotational basis and suitable to for the physical and “intellectual” abilities of the individuals.

Subsequent to doing the period of work, if they hadn’t obtained other employment they could return to the “benefit” system, if they so wished for another three months and repeat the rotation.

If they, were not prepared to attend for the “work” experience then the benefit they receive could be gradually reduce.

As far as fraudulent tax and benefit claims are concerned, if the computerised “identity card” system had been introduced, then much of that would have been reduced.

(I have a feeling the “anxiety” around that was higher in some of the “better heeled” than the unemployed and poorer elements of society.)

Are there problems with the levels of immigration? Probably yes, but the rants of UKIP and right wing “zealots” are not going to resolve them.

Nor will drawing up the drawbridges to Europe solve the problems of the little Englanders.

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Optimist,

If this bunch of tories does so, I will give them all the help I can.

8-)

fred that is bollocks we are getting the lazy bastards that there countrys do not want we are gettin g the scum that no one wants
and it is all down to the benefit system the bloody labour party put in place
scrap the benefits for any one who as not worked for at least 10 years
deport unemployed migrants and kick out any immigrant that breaks the law

and yes i am a right wing tory and have put thousands in to the system
and have NEVER claimed a penny .

it is the benefit system that as fcuked up the uk

the uk is now full of parasites from all over the world to lazy to fight for a better country were they come from

fred the truth always hurts nothing personal just facts

Tanker,

You have the benefit of taxation every time you wake up.

Whether it is in the form of direct payment to you for direct disposal by you, or when you drive down the road, having a health service which treats others to protect you, a police service which patrols your area, etc.

But, I would have thought you would be more at home in the BNP or Golden Dawn parties.

They both need individuals of your calibre and potential.

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Perhaps, when your ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be wise!

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Fred should change his user name to the 'The Headmaster' despite the fact that he posts sanctimonious claptrap. Dickhead! would be even more apt.

fred your 3 daughters on benefits make the lazy sods work for aliving and they can then hold there headfs up not look in the gutter

You Tell Him Tank! Parasites :O)

cc the benefit system is the reason that they are not working
after 12 months make them work for there dole money 40 hours aweek
and you will soon find them looking for a job .
the uk needs cleaners to clean the uk up leaves snow river banks drains paths
care homes hospitals old peoples dwellings and loads more .
no work no money

No argument from me TANK.

Tanker,

Thank you for showing once again your ignorance.

Actually, I have four daughters.

One who, after obtaining numerous graduate and post graduate qualifications, is a senior researcher and statistical analyst, at the Home Office.

Conversations with her have helped me understand some of the difficulties with immigration policies.

Another daughter, who after Ph.D., MSc and Computer Science qualifications, is working on analysis of medical data at a university, having spent three years in America working in the field of genetics.

(However, I doubt that she would be of any help in your particular case.)

Another, who already has two degrees, MSc and various other qualifications, is again expanding her qualifications in order to do what she wishes to do. (She also, has a role in evaluating overseas students and recognises the problems in that area.)

None of the above is likely to be dependent on you or me for their future survival.

And last but not least the youngest who has her own quite large successful import-export business and I am certain she is more likely to support me, than have any need future support from me. She also has an Honour's degree and numerous other qualifications and is unlikely to be in need of any generosity from you as a tax payer.

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I am the stupidest member of the family, but it would seem I have quite a long way to go to get down to your level.

Have a nice evening, but remember alcohol does in some cases rot the brain, while in other cases can be used as a preservative.

under the new(?) rules, benefit applicants are obligated to attend interviews, which at least is a step in the right direction

in california, the rules used to be and perhaps still are, that at citrus harvest time, applicants were obligated to help with same ...... i don't know what happened at other times of the year

unfortunately, the bleeding heart brigade would claim "forced labour" with all its particularly nasty undertones .... however, i think the great majority of the tax-paying population would concur that applicants should be obligated to work at something useful to society at large - that is of course commensurate with their physical, mental and intellectual capabilities

TANKER - 08 Jan 2013 15:49 - 19893 of 19906

"it is the benefit system that as fcuked up the uk"

Tanker, for once I agree with you. I don't know how we got into this scenario where people in this country are far better off living off the welfare/benefit system than working. What makes me particularly angry is all the unmarried mothers in this country who have unlimited numbers of children by different fathers and who claim thousands of pounds in tax credits/welfare benefits. Child care benefits should be limited to two children.

And another thing, while I'm on a roll, why does this country pay out money for people - like this girl who was shot in Afghanistan? Evidently, now she and her family are going to stay in this country because they can get all their medical help for free. Tax payers in this country, who have lived here since they were born, seem to be subsidising all the waifs and strays and terrorists from other countries. Pensioners, on the other hand, who have lived in this country, fought for this country and paid taxes all their lives are treated like second class citizens.

The United Arab Emirates provided the plane taking Yousufzai to Britain, while British officials said the Pakistani government was footing the bill for her lengthy treatment in Birmingham.

Thank you dreamcatcher, I stand corrected! Glad to see at least that is not one waif we are footing the bill for.