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Traders Thread & Thoughts - Monday 8th December (AVZ)     

Crocodile - 07 Dec 2003 12:24

Premarket Futures FTSE -11 DAX -6 DOW -9 S&P -2.9 Nasdaq -3.5

1 Day 2 Day 5 Day - UK News

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FTSE Small Cap

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S&P 500

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DAX / CAC    Euro News

Nikkei -144   Hang Seng -328  Asia News

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The FTSE futures seem rather high considering the Far East falls and negative US futures, I would not be surprised to see a 20 point + fall at some time this morning.

Capita Group said it was pleased with its current trading and expected 2003 results to be in line with expectations. It said it had won 615 million pounds worth of new work and contract extensions in 2003 and was working on bids worth another 2.4 billion pounds.

MITIE Group which maintains & cleans properties such as the Houses of Parliament and the London Eye ferris wheel, said it was confident of a successful year as it posted a rise in first-half profits in line with expectations. Profit rose 16 percent to 18.5 million pounds on turnover up 14 percent to 316.3 million pounds.

Alliance & Leicester mortgage bank said its performance this year was in line with market expectations as it increased revenue growth.

Canary Wharf The founder said there was no certainty he would bid for the property company

AstraZeneca said that new data supported the safely and efficacy of its Exanta treatment for blood clots. The firm said a study involding 2,303 patients in five countries showed Exanta was more effective than standard anti-coagulant treatment warfarin, with no significant difference in bleeding experienced by patients.Ultra Electronics defence and aerospace electronics firm said it was on course to meet market expectations for its performance in 2003. The firm said it had continued to trade strongly in the second half of its fiscal year, with higher sales in airport systems and electronics for armoured vehicles more than offsetting a slowdown in airborne anti-submarine warfare products.

Cable & Wireless announce exit route from the US

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International Greetings (I), Jarvis Hotels (I), Medisys (F), Mitie Group (I) PBT ?18.1m exp.

Royal Bank of Scotland Trading Statement 8:40am

Alliance & Leicester Trading Statement

Capita Trading Statement Corus. Rights Issue Scheme of Arrangement EX Date. Subscription Price is 23.5p. Terms are 5 for 12.

00.01 Nov BRC Retail Sales Monitor Europe: SAS Traffic Figures 09.30 Nov PPI Input  m/m ?0.2% exp. US: CMGI Inc (Q3) 09.30 Nov PPI Output m/m 0.1% exp. 09.30 Oct Industrial Production m/m 0.4% exp. 09.30 Oct Manufacturing Production m/m 0.4% exp. 09.30 Oct ODPM House Prices y/y 13.30 Nov NIESR GDP Estimate

 

 

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Crocodile - 07 Dec 2003 12:24 - 2 of 31

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United Kingdom - Calendar  8th - 12th Nov

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International Greetings (I), Jarvis Hotels (I), Medisys (F) Mitie Group (I) PBT 18.1m exp.

Royal Bank of Scotland Trading Statement

Alliance & Leicester Trading Statement Capita Trading Statement Corus. Rights Issue Scheme of Arrangement EX Date. Subscription Price is 23.5p. Terms are 5 for 12.

00.01 Nov BRC Retail Sales Monitor Europe: SAS Traffic Figures 09.30 Nov PPI Input m/m 0.2% exp. US: CMGI Inc (Q3) 09.30 Nov PPI Output m/m 0.1% exp. 09.30 Oct Industrial Production m/m 0.4% exp. 09.30 Oct Manufacturing Production m/m 0.4% exp. 09.30 Oct ODPM House Prices y/y 13.30 Nov NIESR GDP Estimate

 

 

First Choice Holidays (F) PBT 83.1m exp.

Greene King (I) PBT 38m exp. Victrex (F) PHS Group (I) PBT 21.5m exp, Severn Trent (I), First Technology (I), Grainger Trust (F), Halma (I), ITE (F), Phytopharm (F),

HSBC Trading Statement Denistron (DSN) Rights Issue Ex Date. Sub Price is 10p, Terms are 1 for 1

09.30 Oct World trade Balance -2.0bn exp

Alby (Q3), Analogic (Q3), CostCo (Q3)

15.00 Oct Wholesale Inventories 0.2% exp. 19.50 FOMC Rate Announcement

Lufthansa Traffic Figures

10.00 Dec German ZEW Economic Sentiment 70.7 exp.

 

Blick (F), Burndene Investments (F), DS Smith (I), Hardys & Hansons (F), Henlys Group (F), iSoft Group (I), Kingfisher (Q3), Mentmore (I), Northgate Info Solutions (I),

Numis Corporation (F), Photo-Me International (I), Stagecoach Group (I)

BAA Nov Traffic

12.30 Chancellor Gordon Browns Pre-Budget Report

Digex (Q3), Joule (Q3), Novadel Pharma (Q3)

07.00 Nov German Wholesale Price Index flat exp. 07.00 Oct German Trade Balance 13.9bn exp.

Ex Dividend: AbacGroup (6.8), Aberdeen Asset Management (2), Acal (7), Aggregate Industries (1.13), BSS Group (4.15), Bellway (13.8), Business Post Group (5.95), Castings (2.38), Country and Metropolitan (2.6), De La Rue (4.4), Dyson Group (1), East Surrey Holdings (4.75), Emap (7.6), Ennstone (0.35), Fenner (3.85), Fuller Smith & Turner (5.1), Goldshield Group (1), Headlam Group (3.6), Helphire Group (2), Jarvis (4.5), JD Sports (2.86), Luminar (3.67), Northumbrian Water (2.32), Pillar Property (2.4), Quintain Estates (2.75), Richmond Foods (5.5), Telecom Pl(4.5), VP Plc (1.6), Wincanton (3.48), Yates Group (1.65)

Daejan Holdings (I), MyTravel Group (F), NHP (F)

Alliance Unichem Trading Statement

Standard Chartered Trading Statement LogicaCMG Trading Statement

09.30 Oct New Construction Orders 11.00 Nov CBI Industrial Trends

Amrep Corp (Q3), Datatec Systems (Q3)

13.30 Nov Import Price Index m/m 0.2% exp. 13.30 Nov Advanced Retail Sales 0.6% exp. 13.30 Oct Business Inventories 0.2% exp. 13.30 Initial Jobless Claims (w/e 6/12) 355k exp. 19.00 Minutes of Oct 28th FOMC Meeting

Mittel SpA (F), Fox Kids Europe (F)

07.00 Nov Final German CPI m/m 09.00 ECB Monthly Report

Anite Group (I), British Energy (I), McKay Securities (I)

Bradford & Bingley Trading Statement

Travis Perkins Presentation to Analysts

Adobe Systems (Q3), Piedmont Natural (Q3)

13.30 Nov Producer Price Index m/m 0.1% exp. 13.30 Oct Trade Balance -$41.6bn exp. 14.50 Dec Pre Michigan Sentiment 96.0 exp. 19.00 Nov Monthly Budget Statement -$38.0bn exp.

11.00 3rd Quarter Current Account 16.4bn exp

 

Provisional Calendar For The Following Week   15th - 19th December

Eckoh Technologies (I), Windsor (F) East Surrey Holdings (EGM) Premier Direct (AGM) Inchcape (Trading Announcement) Royal Bank of Scotland (Trading Announcement) Wimpey (Trading Announcement)

8:30 NY Empire State Index  

Image Scan Holdings (F), Slimma (F) Actif Group (AGM)

HBOS (Pre close statement)

00:30 RICS Nov house prices 09:30 Nov RPI  

1:30 Building Permits 1:30 CPI 1:30 Current Account 1:30 Housing Starts 2:15 Capacity Utilization 2:15 Industrial Production

 

Homestyle (I), Kleeneze (I) Scipher (I), Vantis (I), Baggeridge (F) Misys (Trading Announcement)

09:30 BoE MPC Dec meeting minuets 09:30 Labour market report

 

 

Ex Dividend:

Smart (J) (AGM)

 09:30 CML Nov mortgage lending 09:30 BBA Nov mortgage lending 09:30 BSA Nov mortgage lending 09:30 Nov retail sales 09:30 Nov PSNCR

13:30 Initial Claims 15:00 Leading Indicators 17:00 EST Philadelphia Fed 19:00 EST Treasury Budget

 

Ensor Holdings (I), Leeds Group (F),

Michael Page (EGM), The Medical House (AGM)

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Trading Thoughts For The Week Ahead  -  Sunday 7th December

Trading updates from RBS and Alliance & Leicester on Monday kick off a busy week for banks. Updates follow from Standard Chartered on Thursday and Bradford & Bingley on Friday. British banks have underperformed in recent weeks on fear the start of interest rate rises may bite into the profits of mortgage lenders and increase the number of bad loans on their books.British Airways is expected to receive a boost with confirmation it will return to the FTSE 100MondayCapita Analysts want assurance that outsourcing specialist will meet its 2004 earnings forecasts, after contract wins such as the 110m deal for the pension administration for Prudential and St James's Place failed to dispel doubts .Having secured the Transport for London congestion charging contract the market expects Capita to focus on improving its cash flow, raise dividends or pursue a share buyback programme. chartuk.gifSCi Entertainment Computer games publisher is expected to report a 20% rise in pre-tax profits to 3m when it reports full-year resultsTuesday

First Choice Holidays post full-year results, In October the company said they would be in line with expectations, suggesting pre-tax profits of 84m on sales of 2.2b.Stagecoach's interim results should provide investors with an opportunity to analyse the company's debt position. At the start of the year, Stagecoach was burdened with net borrowings of 560m. Since then though, the company has generated some 200m from the disposal of its North American operations.Halma safety products company has 6 month figures and are expected to be in line with forecasts but profits are not anticipated to show much improvement, due to a higher launch cost for new products.Severn Trent is expected to report a 9% rise in pre-tax profits to 139.2m as well as increases in earnings and dividends.

U.S. Federal Reserve interest rate decision could have a bigger impact on equities.Wednesday

Kingfisher will shed light on the health of the retail sector in the key Christmas trading period and is expected to show better-than-expected sales at its DIY chain in the third quarter when it issues a trading statement reporting 2.7% growth on a like-for-like basis.Phytopharm is expected to report a loss which could widen from 3.8m to over 5m after it was dealt a cruel blow when Pfizer decided to discontinue a joint developmental appetite suppressant drug

Stagecoach Bus and rail group  may give a progress report on Virgin's two rail franchises, in which it has a 49% stake, in its interim results, the two franchises would be profitable in the first six months, but were only expected to break even in the full year. The group is expected to post pre-tax profits of 65m against 75m last time.

Chancellor Gordon Brown pre budget report will give updates on growth and public finance forecasts and the switch to a new inflation target,chartus.gifFriday

Bradford & Bingley's comments on the current state of the mortgage market should be interesting

Thoughts

On of the big questions is 'will the DOW reach 10,000 before XMAS?' Historically the answer is 'yes'. Looking at the 5 year US chart below we can see a similar situation with the  11,000 point being tested on many occasions, As soon as the market rose within 100 points of this level it acted like a magnet and pulled it towards it.

But I feel like many of you that the US market has become overbought with it now recovering 93% of its value 3 years ago. Incidentally the FTSE has only recovered 70% of its value over the same period!

As you know I am a firm believer in computerised trading systems leaving tell tale markers on charts which  I call 'Lines' & 'Blobs'.  These often do not correspend to the normal charting trend lines but can be very significant. Using charts that extend back 5 years it is possible to draw these trend lines in 100 different ways to prove anything that you wish. However I find the ones shown this week to be quite interesting. Although the charts are noisy you can see the pattern and the horizontal parallel support lines do work quite well.

They give a trading range not as extreme as some models and suggest that we are towards the top of the channel on US & UK markets with support on the DOW above 9000 and the FTSE at about 3900.

One problem is that the DOW has recovered most of its 3 year losses and the FTSE is still 23% behind. Perhaps ths discrepancy will simply continue but if not my guess is for a sharp drop on the DOW after it has reached its 10k target.

As always I look forward to your thoughts and comments on the week ahead!  David (Crocodile) David@SnappyTrader.com  www.SnappyTrader.com

All the above comments are purely a personal opinion and no investment advice is intended.  Please do your own research.

 

Crocodile - 07 Dec 2003 12:25 - 3 of 31

Congratulations to all posters for winning the MoneyAM thread of the year!

Headlines Sunday 7th December

Shares in Canary Wharf jumped amid hopes that a fresh, cash-spinning bid war could break out for the property firm. Its directors have already backed a 1.55bn, 265 pence-a-share bid from investment bank Morgan Stanley. US unemployment data jolted sentiment that has been buoyed in the past few months by positive economic figures, particularly out of America.

SUNDAY TIMES Robert Wiseman Second share sale for millionaire milkmen BT Group Hi-tech revolution aims to give NHS new life

British Airways, BAA Airlines fear Labour will hike flight tax William Morrison Less cash for Safeway Slump takes sparkle off Wedgwood stock MyTravel fears for survival over losses of 600m Less cash for Safeway Amvescap Special Report: Timing scandal lands in London Maiden calls the end of recession for advertising

Directors' Deals:Business Post Group Boss posts big gains after mail strikes Glaxo needs pill for credibility gap

Judgment Day: Should you buy shares in Grainger Trust?

Judgment Day: Should you buy shares in UTV?

Standard Chartered UK firms sign up for Iraq Tony Froggatt's working day Scottish and Newcastle Sharewatch: Cambridge Antibody Dickens of a difference in two tour firms Sharewatch: TT Electronics Dickens of a difference in two tour firms Sharewatch: Stagecoach Up in the air BAA Working Space Scottish and Newcastle HSBC UK firms sign up for Iraq First Choice Sharewatch: Dickens of a difference in two tour firms

MyTravel According to some estimates tour operator l could announce a pre-tax loss of up to 300m. The company has misjudged the market and its parlous financial position means it cannot afford many more mistakes. The shares fell to 11p last week, not far off their year-low of 7.5p. The prognosis is not good. TT Electronics Some analysts are worried has overstretched itself paying 30m for infra-red sensor group Optek Technology. But the group's chairman John Newman and a co-director have each recently bought 100,000 shares at 125p in the company.
SUNDAY TELEGRAPH Debenhams Granada Green's payoff queried WH Smith 112,000 for not getting the job Zurich Financial Services Dunbar Bank on sale for 150m Amvescap UK funds probed Boeing open to BAE merger

Cable and Wireless Ciao to Ebitda at last

M&S revolution

Carlton Investors must probe Michael Green's severance terms

Amvescap Billion dollar scandal BAE Systems It is now safe to unfasten your seat belts - maybe SCi bags new Lara game

Amvescap anglo-American fund manager* has seen its shares slump from 568p in September to 403.5p the day before its US retail funds arm was hit by civil fraud charges from regulators. The shares fell a further 3.5% when the legal action was announced. The fall has wiped 1.4bn of the group's market value, but there could be more to come. At 395p the shares look pricey. Sell. Celltech's agreement to co-develop its important arthritis drug with Pfizer collapsed last week, meaning Celltech (375.5p) must find another partner or develop the drug itself. It's hard to imagine another drugs company accepting a smaller share of the profits than under the Pfizer deal. Sell.

OBSERVER Carlton, Granada Anger at Green's 1.4m pay-off Sky's EC penalty shoot-out Collins Stewart Tullett Ex-Collins broker heading down under

Fidelity boss backs Safeway in bid to up Morrison's offer BAA Airport plans face legal flak Fidelity boss backs Safeway in bid to up Morrison's offer

INDEPENDENT  Convicted businessman takes nuclear waste from BNFL The Lowdown: Why legal rivals are lambs to Slaughter Marks & Spencer Group

The week ahead: HSBC leads the charge of the banks BT loses Norwich - locals not amused

Tesco Analysts are forecasting 16% profits growth for supermarkets for the year to the end of February, and 10% the following year. At the current price of 246p, the shares trade on an earnings multiple of 15.7 for this year and 14.2 for the next. This looks attractive for a company with solid growth prospects.

SCOTLAND ON SUNDAY  300m loss is more trouble for MyTravel High interest in Canary Wharf as investors scent upturn Harvey Nicks takes brickie's brew to new high  

International Greetings to find place on investors' lists Deal is a Big Yin for Belhaven Stagecoach hits the road with electric bus

THE BUSINESS

Stagecoach has had a positive year after its restructuring plans. The shares (81p) have made a strong recovery but how much further do they have to go? Analysts expect first-half profits before goodwill and exceptional items of 50m to 60m, but since the group gave a positive trading update in October most of the good news is already priced into the shares.

INVESTORS CHRONICLE Tips: Tips: Buy William Hill (WMH) at 398p - Ashtead Group (AHT) at 16p - Celsis (CEL) at 34p - Capcon at 54p - Fulmar (FMR) at 80p - Halladale (HDG) at 55p.Updates: Buy Vodafone (VOD) - Cobra Biomanufacturing (CBF) - Hyder Consulting (HYC). Hold Bizspace (BIZ). Alexon (AXN) is good value.Company Results: Buy Compass (CPG) - Paragon (PAG) - Nord Anglia Education (NAE).

SHARES MAGAZINE Plays of the Week: Buy Host Europe (HER) at 1.375p - Royal Doulton (RDN) at 4.25p - Speedy Hire (SDY) at 370p - Winchester Entertainment (WIE) (suspended) at 28.75p.Updates: Buy Actif Group (ACT) - Berkeley Berry Birch (BBB) - Lawrence (LAC).Profits from Climate Change: Buy Richmond Foods (RFD) and Domino's Pizza (DOM). Sell Thorntons (THT) and Northern Foods (NFDS). Hold Greggs (GRG) and Geest (GET).

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Melnibone - 07 Dec 2003 13:51 - 4 of 31

If you are thinking of support at 3900, that would put
a slant on matters that would suggest that this is a Bear
market rally and not an end to the Great Bear.

Food for thought indeed. As you can see on the attached chart,
not only would that decimate the 60 Day MA support for the
current trend, but would smash the 200 Day MA for the first
time since May. Not a good sign.

Looks like a volatile struggle coming up. If the Bulls and
the Fund Managers let that happen, it could turn sentiment
back to Bearish. This would no doubt be reinforced by some
analysts bringing up comparison charts of the Japanese markets
and frightening everyone to death.

Would the FED want this in election year?

Will need careful watching before buying stock at FTSE 4300
for a trend continuation.

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Melnibone.

Crocodile - 07 Dec 2003 18:50 - 5 of 31

MB
Certainly a market pivot point!

ThePlayboy - 08 Dec 2003 07:14 - 6 of 31

stockcharts
12/5: Technical divergences said we should get a decline, and so far they were right. Pattern started off a bit sloppy, so it isn't clearly an impulse down just yet, but it's leaning that way.
Unfortunately, with the new high for the move this week, it takes a move from here below 9600 to really say the trend has changed, or at a minimum say that this isn't part of a larger advance up.
Conservative players need to stand aside here if already flat, short positions that were taken earlier and not covered (because the move was intra-day) obviously should stay short with a stop at 9940.
9800 is the next resistance, and a convincing decline through that level is warning to bulls that something more than a correction is going on to the downside.
So, if the trend has finally changed, this is wave iii starting down now, and we should drop right from the open on monday.
If not, then something else is going on and stay on the sidelines until there's a clear pattern.
The overall shape of the pattern to the upside has a corrective feel to it, and given the size of the rally this year, it still makes sense to look for short trades because we have yet to sport a significant correction of the move up...




Updated 12/5 for Monday's market.
Key DOW Levels for 12/8
UP Above 9,880
DN Below 9,840

Expanding Range
Dow trades lower within wide expanding range.

From prior commentary, "...The index has shown bouyancy as of late, and continues to hold at the highs right at the key 9,900 resistance level...look for the index to continue to trade witin the range boundaries until a break either way is seen..."
The Dow traded quietly sideways throughout most of the session before finally trending lower late in the day, as seen in the 15 Minute Chart. The index continues to trade within the boundaries of a wide, expanding trading range, seen in the 15 and 60 Minute Charts, and now sits at the lower boundary of the range.

The fact that the range is evolving into an expanding triangle implies instability and indecision at this time. This usually results in a downside break from the range. Therefore, we will watch the lower boundary of the range at 9,840 for break to indicate a likely push lower in the medium term.

The index has also formed a tight, expanding consolidation at the lows of today's downmove, which further implies weakness. Again, a break of 9,840 will be the trigger value.

Should the index hold above 9,840, we could see another push higher within the expanding range. An upside break through 9,880 will likely spark a push toward 9,950.

Short Term Dow

Short term, we will watch the tight, expanding consolidation that has formed at the lows of the 5 Minute Chart. A downside break is implied, but a break either way will lead to short term direction at the Open. Watch 9,845 down, and 9,875 up.

Medium Term Dow

In the medium term, we entered the market Short today at 9,850, but took a 20 point loss for the trade. We are still out of the market and will watch 9,840 down, and 9,880 up tomorrow, with 20 point stops.

NASDAQ & S&P

The NASDAQ and S&P each pushed lower today, forming a bearish consolidations at the lows by day's end. The consolidations hint at a continuation tomorrow. Watch for breaks. *

Summary

The Dow traded sideways throughout most of the session, but finally moved lower to the Close. The index has formed a consolidation at the lows and is holding just above the lower boundary of the expanding range. A downside break from the range at 9,840 will signal weakness, while a break above 9,880 will push the index back up within the range.


MONDAYS FTSE PP

R2 4411
R1 4389
PP 4363
S1 4341
R2 4316

Fri close was below s1 after loosing 2.5pts in the auction!

WEEKLY FTSE PP

R2 4453
R1 4416
PP 4374
S1 4330
S2 4295

Close was above the weekly pp!

The week ahead seems to be about 4330 to hold the uptrend with a change of trend on a brk of 4280! Still in uptrend and rangebound with trading channel to 4430! Bring back volatility! 2 day ftse chart harder to call, broke the pennant to the downside on Fri to sup then rallied out of the daily downtrend on a brk through 55. Top of 5day downtrend at 4375 (pp) so a brk through here to lead to r1 or continued weakness to 4330 (s1) imho! As usual down to US action!

Crocodile - 08 Dec 2003 07:37 - 7 of 31

Morning all

Druid2 - 08 Dec 2003 08:46 - 8 of 31

Morning all from a sunny North Wales. Thanks Croc & TP.

Melnibone - 08 Dec 2003 09:02 - 9 of 31

Morning all,

With the warning by Croc and the US analysis by TP,
I'm inclined to just watch this morning and take
direction from the US this afternoon.

S@P and DOW currently sitting at 1059/9849. Not a lot
of cushion there to stop a down swing if they go
negative at the open.

With the FED giving guidance tomorrow and our own
dear Gordon having a budget waffle on Wednesday,
there should be some uncertainty about which may
translate into weakness.

Will look mainly for a chance of a FTSE short until,(If?),
the FTSE hits the bottom of the trend channel.
It will need to hold here, with positive market noise,
to make it worth buying stocks.

Melnibone.

Douggie - 08 Dec 2003 09:24 - 10 of 31

mornin all

Melnibone - 08 Dec 2003 09:39 - 11 of 31

FTSE now at S1 and approaching Friday's low.

If it doesn't hold these levels we're looking
at 4320.

Melnibone.

Melnibone - 08 Dec 2003 10:12 - 12 of 31

AVZ hanging on to 380p by the skin of it's teeth.
This was the December 2002 lows from where it slid
to below 300p after a little dead cat bounce.

With AVZ fighting to stop US funds withdrawing money
from the Invesco unit due to the Spitzer pressure,
it's difficult to see where positive news will come from.

Melnibone.

ThePlayboy - 08 Dec 2003 10:21 - 13 of 31

raptor
For Monday, the bias is for some possible initial downside (favored to be limited to 1056 or 1050) with a low and reversal expected during the morning hours. A mild rally is expected to follow through for the reminder of the day, but overall trading is likely to slow down in front of the FED meeting Tuesday. Momentum on the upside is slowing down with a major reversal expected soon, however, the rollover process could be lengthy. A break below 1041 at any time is bearish and could continue the downtrend, but until then, the index is favored to be in a large distribution pattern.

Melnibone - 08 Dec 2003 10:35 - 14 of 31

Thanks for that TP.

1050/1056 should translate to 4300/4320(roughly)
on the FTSE, which would equate to the 60Day MA
circa the bottom of the trend channel.

Melnibone.

Melnibone - 08 Dec 2003 10:52 - 15 of 31

Looks like S1 has held and stopped this morning's
downtrend.

Will hold to the plan and see how weak the US starts
off. If S@P 1050 holds, I may be tempted to open some
intraday FTSE stock positions for a few hours this PM,
and maybe add to my BT.A longterm position after the
good contract news this morning.

Melnibone.

stockbunny - 08 Dec 2003 14:39 - 16 of 31

Afternoon looking more positive - MKS now over the 280p hurdle
have to see if it holds up. Several banks looking better.
Time to put money into sub-prime lendind area after gov' failed to cap
interest rates on loans???
It is tempting on a non-moral strictly money-making level...

namreh3 - 08 Dec 2003 14:56 - 17 of 31

Hello SB. Sub-prime such as Provident Fin?

Melnibone - 08 Dec 2003 15:15 - 18 of 31

These US markets are very inconsiderate by showing
strength before weakness.
It's screwed up my afternoon trading plan. :-(

Why can't they do what they are meant to do. ;-)
Going to have to do a quick rethink now.

Melnibone.

ThePlayboy - 08 Dec 2003 15:26 - 19 of 31

melinbone-its always the opposite:)

I now use the indicator:

Us stong into our close-fall after hours
US weak into our close-strong after hours

Has a good % success rate, not law!

Sideways into our close=have,nt a clue:)

ThePlayboy - 08 Dec 2003 15:27 - 20 of 31

Using the above scenario wrong foot both parties, shorts don,t short before close for next day on an up into close and longs stay long into an up close resulting in covering the next day if all pans out!

Melnibone - 08 Dec 2003 15:41 - 21 of 31

Sounds good, TP.

Have to monitor that one.

This sounds like the one about the two Guardians of the Door.
One always tells the truth ,one always lies, and you
are only allowed one question.:-)

Melnibone.
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