Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Max,

One shouldn't expect to have honest figures from a party of neo-fascists neocons.

They have falsifying economic figures, employment figures and immigrant figures for years.

But, I suppose you get what you wish or voted for.

Neil Woodford, UK star fund manager, is an OUT:

9bn reduction in EU contributions for a start.

He also says, that even in the worst case scenario, potential trade tariffs of around 4%, fall well within the normal range of exchange rate movements.

There might be a hit to London commercial property prices from a Brexit as fewer firms see London as a 'gateway to Europe' but to off-set that we would be freer to do more trade deals elsewhere as non-EU companies find much less beaurocracy in their negotiations with us.

Overall, economic reasons give a 'nil sum' game result.

IMHO, the EU is only a 'political game'. To hell with it! There's even a big sign in our local outdoor town market saying: "Vote Out!"

My views if the exit vote wins. I feel Europe will fall into recession . Portugal along with Greece and Italy are heading for major problems in the next few months, With Germany the only power house left to bail them out. I see the public of Germany saying enough is enough. Massive pressure is bearing down on living standards.
The European banking system is carrying just too much debt. Most of the Eu countries
have nothing in place or indeed be able too afford to jack up their banks . They are too heavy in debt and will be unable to pay back loans.

There will be massive repercussions if Europe collapses by us leaving or collapsing still by recession with us still in. (take your choices, just how can it survive ?)
We will be affected by Eurozone troubles, with us in or out. You do not pick up new trade overnight. The stock markets will buckle.

What a mess. Most of the blame from me goes to Germany, a halt should of been called years ago.

A massive shock coming to our living standards, lets face it we are going to be a lot poorer than today.

I am of a similar opinion although I think it will play out slightly differently. I think it is ultimately a doomed experiment. They have gone for monetary union with the Euro before fiscal and political union. There is no overall controlling mechanism that can keep individual economies under control. That was evident in Greece where tax payment is optional.

Going to be interesting after any result for the future of the eu.

Bloody hell DC your cheerful this morning !

It is alright boys, Osborne will blame any recessions on the World Economy, not his own incompetence.

Strange how phantasy economics are what suits your case.

Not much to be cheerful for at the moment jimmy b. :-((

They are all the same Fred. :-))

Am I getting this right ?, the Scottish independents say that a new Scottish referendum is inevitable if the UK votes to opt out ! : so all those that want Scottish independence will vote to leave Europe perhaps, and then when we are out of Europe the Scots will have a referendum about remaining in the UK....and then when Scotland have left the UK : they will rejoin Europe and the Euro by the backdoor......have to admire Sturgeon and this what seems if not fishy: a dastardly cunning plan....not even Blackadder could have thought that one up !....

Works for the outs though rf.

Double whammy, us out of €uropa, and the jocks out of the taxpayers pocket :-)

Scotland would have to renegotiate with Brussels, and Brussels would put the exact same conditions that Greece is going through..

Sturgeon was being questioned on the Sunday Politics, and when questioned on this subject, sturgeon got all evasive and rattled.

playing golf today .....
i am tending for out as already posted; 1 x in but without enthusiasm; 1 x out; 1 x undecided but tending towards out


meanwhile, i note fred will blame GO for the collapsing of world economies

Daily Mail -

German voters' damning verdict on open-door migration: Angela Merkel is punished in crucial state elections as far-Right party wins big vote with call to stop flow of refugees

It was a good idea, I mean, what could possibly go wrong?


Snag: Merkel is leading negotiations with Turkey for free access.

ask bambi, for on his watch 2.3m refugees/immigrants came into uk

Do you mean Cameron?

Max.

Be careful what you seem to be wishing for.

A fragmented Europe and its consequences are about the last thing I would hope for

A collapse of the EU will leave minefields and might even rock NATO, which might please Putin no end.

USA wants out, other than for trade.

the eu is in trouble whether uk stays in or not

as i wrote earlier, uk pulling out might just shake the eu legislators out of their smugness and concentrate their little brains on the major reforms that are required
i don't hold out much hope

Boris Johnson: Americans would never accept EU restrictions – so why should we?

Barack Obama's plan to urge voters to remain in the European Union is a 'piece of outrageous and exorbitant hypocrisy', Boris Johnson writes



By Boris Johnson

6:49AM GMT 14 Mar 2016


I love America. I believe in the American dream. Indeed, I hold that the story of the past 100 years has been very largely about how America rose to global greatness – and how America has helped to preserve and expand democracy around the world. In two global conflicts, and throughout the Cold War, the United States has fought for the founding ideals of the republic: that government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth.

So it is on the face of it a bit peculiar that US government officials should believe that Britain must remain within the EU – a system in which democracy is increasingly undermined.

Some time in the next couple of months we are told that President Obama himself is going to arrive in this country, like some deus ex machina, to pronounce on the matter. Air Force One will touch down; a lectern with the presidential seal will be erected. The British people will be told to be good to themselves, to do the right thing. We will be informed by our most important ally that it is in our interests to stay in the EU, no matter how flawed we may feel that organisation to be. Never mind the loss of sovereignty; never mind the expense and the bureaucracy and the uncontrolled immigration.


"There is no country in the world that defends its own sovereignty with such hysterical vigilance as the United States of America"



The rest of the article is here:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12192893/Americans-would-never-accept-EU-restrictions-so-why-should-we.html

I don't trust Barry any more.