Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

do you mean like facts about JIMMY SAVILE when the people were hiding the truth
to protect the bbc and the gov and the top civil servants and the pop world

i'ld certainly rather buy a car from this bunch that from those on the bench opposite - whereas you would clearly be the reverse

as for Margaret Thatcher, the country should be every bit as glad that she turned up when she did, as did Churchill in 1939/1940 ..... demolishing the power of the unions such as the NUM was one of the very best thing she ever did

tanker has clearly abandoned his attack on young asian girls and even the rest of his nonsense about polish workers.

of course, he hasn't even pretended to answer the questions i raised initially

policies, I understand to mean plans of action. Fred Labour have non or perhaps they are so good we cannot be told. You have to tell the electorate your policies otherwise they are left guessing as to you have non or are indeed making them up as you go. :-))

Cynic,

I wouldn't buy a car off either side.

Churchill was a good orator, which served him and Britain well, but as a strategic planner raised quite a few problems.

He was good in parts, but had a chequered past.

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Maggie period in "office", is probably responsible for many of the problems we have in our economy and society today.

(Not blind to some of useful actions.)

Even Macmillan, thought she squandered the "family" silver to line the pockets of the "party faithful".

Also, responsible for the "statements" leading to MPs thinking it OK to fiddle their expenses.

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I don't believe you Fred you leave me speechless. lol "family" silver, I won't go there, after all Gordon never sold our gold off, that was a dream I'm sure.

fred - we'll just agree to differ ...... churchill was clearly the right man at the right time ..... macmillan was an excellent statesman of the old patrician breed, but he certainly lacked the sort of backbone and fire that thatcher brought to the task ..... had the likes of the NUM and other unions been left to their evil scheming (and i mean that too), then i think the damage would have been totally irreparable

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7139265.stm

The above is a reminder of why a vote on the EU is needed.

Cynic,

Perhaps, a more sensible PM than Thatcher would not have confronted the unions in the same way.

She appealed to the middle right, right and blue rinsed torie brigade and those who financed her and wished to retreat to them and us.

Some thought of her as bloody minded, I concur with them.

Cameron is acting as poor "imitation" of her trying to call her "boys" (troops) over the top to be slaughtered.

(They may be at the next election.)


It appeared to me, at the time, that Scargill and Thatcher were as stupid as each other and deserved one another.

The country didn't!

Would suggest that you read some non-sycophantic history of Churchill, also re-read what I posted.
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Dreams,

Suggest you have a look at the reasoning for the sell-off of gold by the UK and many other countries.

Timing could have been better.
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Do you want to go back to the gold standard monetary system?

I think you even know that the sale of the gold cost the country a small fortune.

A bit like Osborne's present policies, or castle walls.

No, lol Again I say, I think you even know that the sale of the gold cost the country a small fortune ?

****Small****

Scargill was the cause of the miners' woes. He even refused to take any vote on the strike action.
It was interesting to see that the NUM went to court a couple of weeks ago and won to evicy Scargill from the flat in central London that he claimed was his for life together with a car etc.
Of course it was he that awarded these perks to himself. His only interest was to bring down the government and have a socialist revolution. Even now no one knows where the huge sums of money the russians gave the NUM went.

I will remind you, the gold Brown sold for £2 billion could of been sold for £13billion a few years later. £11 billion small beer really.

Haystack - certainly not to his hair dresser!

There is only one thing we have to thank Brown for and that is his opposition to joining the Euro. Blair was hell bent on joining the Euro and Brown announced that we did not meet the five tests he had set for joining. Brown used the Treasury computer model of the economy to prove his point.

Hays,


It sounds like the present tory cabinet setting up their retirement funds with the Murdock press.

Perhaps, a quiet deal or two with friends of the Hunt and the Fox and bed mates may be informative about their future arrangements for periods of leisure, after the present ball s up is over.


If your mind is not too addled and can recall what I previously wrote about that miners' strike and Scargill inept, misguided approach, as well as timing you would see that I didn't have a high opinion of him.

Also, I have thought that if possible strikes should be avoided, because of the costs to both sides in the argument.


The strike which he had a responsibility for, did have a political entity to it, but so did the wishy washy long awaited speech on Europe.

A speech which has gone down a bomb in Europe and alienated many European Anglophiles, was delivered for his own benefit and his misdirected leadership. It was a speech to sooth the broken party and little to do with the good of the UK or the EU.

Tripe.


I wonder, if Cameron can get us out of NATO, or does Captain Cameron and his companion Baldrick want to re-negotiate that as well.


Happy days.



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Dreams.

Consider.


As of Q1 2012 the national debt amounted to £1,278.2 billion, or 86.8% of total GDP. [2] The annual cost of servicing the public debt amounts to around £43bn, or roughly 3% of GDP. This is roughly the same size as the British defence budget.



Interest payments on UK National Debt as percentage of GDP from 1900
Due to the Government's significant budget deficit, which must be financed by borrowing, the national debt is increasing by approximately £121 billion per annum, or around £2.3 billion each week.

Hmmmm the Cons are to blame are they?

They are supposed to be grown up and accept responsibility for their own actions.

I stopped blaming my parents and god for my actions when I was about 10 years old.

There is always shit left around after change of governments, adults clear up the shit and get on with it.

This bunch is just moaning and blaming others from its own lack of direction and ill-thought out policies and u-turns.

Bullshitters!