Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Manuel,

Because of past and present dyslexia I have a spelling checker running behind me and sometimes accept to easily.

But ummmh!


credulous
> Antonym: incredulous.
> Similar: credible, naif, naive, overcredulous, unquestioning.
> See also: believable, credible, naif, naive, trustful, trusting.
- The gimmick would convince none but the most credulous.
- So credulous he believes everything he reads.

Adjective
> Antonym: incredulous.
> Similar: credible, naif, naive, overcredulous, unquestioning.
> See also: believable, credible, naif, naive, trustful, trusting.
- The gimmick would convince none but the most credulous.
- So credulous he believes everything he reads.

Disposed to believe on little evidence.
> Antonym: incredulous.
> Similar: credible, overcredulous, unquestioning.
> See also: believable, credible, naif, naive, trustful, trusting.
- The gimmick would convince none but the most credulous.

Showing a lack of judgment or experience.
> Similar: naif, naive.
- So credulous he believes everything he reads.


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Dumbo,

Thankfully yes,

It makes it easier for me to forget what you post.

Good on you Fred.

Falling house prices will not be good. It will plunge large numbers of people into negative equity and then will not be able to move. It could trigger another recession.

What's that then Hays do you just want them to go up and up .The fact is we will have another house price wobble eventually anyway (in or out of the EU) because the recent rise has been too steep.

Depends on how far they will fall , if they do fall and that's a big if, with the increasing population, house building will not keep up with demand., and any interest rate increase will be small.

It will plunge large numbers of people into negative equity and then will not be able to move. It could trigger another recession.

That's all pie in the sky

An obvious period of stagnation of prices in the housing sector would be useful, as long as there is catch up in building and construction and not hiding away of land "licenced" for building.

Addressing the present problems should have started 6years ago.

aldwickk --- ''house building will not keep up with demand.''

The EU has demanded we build 220,000 a year, so our lapdog leader will oblige (or else).
2517

It is all academic as the UK will vote to stay in.

How convenient Fred 6 years ago, why not during the period your Labour party was letting in 2 million migrants with their open door policy.
2517

Well Druncker may have encouraged a few to vote out instead of in with his disgraceful Deserter remark. Seems we're ok as friends just as long as we do as we are told.
2517

Excluding London, where a section of the housing market exists as a safe haven asset, ( same in Vancouver, New York, Sydney etc), house prices go up and down.
Depends on interest rates, and mortgage availability for first time buyers.

In 2007 Labour promised 240,000 new houses a year. Tories target is 250,000. EU says we should build 220,000 a year. If you want a lower number of new houses vote to stay in EU.

We actually build 150,000 a year now. (less than 115,000 a year in 2010, 2011 2012)

Basic economics not enough new houses------prices go up.

In the 50's and 60's there were years we built around 300,000 new houses.

John Mcdonnell targeting 100,000 council houses a year. Talking sense. Make it happen.

Vote in for economic benefits. (and stable house prices)

The luvvies’ Brexit letter only shows most people vote with their wallets

Simon Jenkins

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/20/luvvies-brexit-letter-eu-largesse


That our lucky stars of stage and screen benefit from the EU’s largesse should hardly be a clincher for anybody else


Friday 20 May 2016 10.07 BST




Clcokwise from top left: Benedict Cumberbatch, Paloma Faith, Danny Boyle, Helena Bonham-Carter, Dominic West and Sam Taylor-Wood are among the stars backing Britain to remain in the EU.



Who can possibly argue with 250 luvvies crying, “Remain!”? How can anyone reply when these gods cite everyone from “the Bard to Bowie” in their cause? They carry into battle Richard III, Sherlock Holmes, Elizabeth Bennet, the Red Queen, the Olympics, Love Actually, a dozen Hamlets and even the dear old Queen. They are actors, novelists, writers, directors, celebrities, names, all names, big names (who got left off?). The EU may be facing the darkest crisis in its existence, but never has it received such a dazzling testimonial.

It is indelicate to ask how an Equity card conveys authority on target two balances, optimum currency areas and the sheep-meat premium. But as Brexiters cite Napoleon, Hitler and “250 businessmen”, so remain’s signature harvest can rally celebrities to its flag under the golden rubric, “vital EU funding”.



Virtue by association is standard practice in lobbying. The UN and NGOs garner celebrities on the reasonable assumption that a headline with pictures does no harm and may do good. But in a debate now as hysterical as Brexit, it’s hard to see how 250 actors rate higher than 250 teachers, social workers, train drivers or waiters. I am sure the same might be said of commentators, except that some of us do at least try to read up on the subject.

A few lucky people have done well out of European subsidies. There is no reason for such subsidies to be decried. But that lucky people benefit from Brussels’ largesse is hardly a clincher for everyone else. It is also absurd to imply that British actors excluded from the EU would be “outsiders shouting from the wings”. Most do far more work in America anyway, which is outside the EU’s open borders.

They are hardly outsiders in Hollywood. These are bad, silly arguments. There is no open EU market in services and that is a fact. It is one of the EU’s many failures.

The luvvies’ letter, like those on both sides from sportsmen, scientists and cheap-jack employers, merely shows what we know: that most people vote with their wallets. Political argument is easier when couched, not in facts or predictions, but in fears and favours. We search the news for signs of comfort, not for reasons. When Montagues and Capulets meet at the street corner they do not swap statistics. They puff up their finery. They boast their allies and show their muscle.

Remain’s purpose today is to show the Brexit tribe as a bunch of outsiders, small guys, nobodies, people who cannot dream of “vital EU funding”. This can cut two ways. Perhaps Brexit should hit back with a letter from 250 people of whom nobody has ever heard.

2517GEORGE Send an email to 2517GEORGE View 2517GEORGE's profile - 21 May 2016 14:00 - 2072 of 2075

How convenient Fred 6 years ago, why not during the period your Labour party was letting in 2 million migrants with their open door policy.
2517

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"215"

I am repeatedly informed that the con party can walk on water.

They have been in power for the last 6 years and if they had invested at the beginning of that period in the "infrastructure", even if that is subsidising "wages" it would have been better than paying "dole".

The economy would be in a better state.

Examine the "employment" and production figures, etc. carefully.

They may convince you, but they don't convince me.

MaxK - 21 May 2016 14:14 - 2075 of 2076

The luvvies’ Brexit letter only shows most people vote with their wallets

Simon Jenkins


Have a look at that "gentleman's" expenses claims.

I think a spell at HMP would be appropriate for him.

"John Mcdonnell targeting 100,000 council houses a year"

sounds good of course, but how would it be arranged, from where will the land be acquired and who will do the building .......
further, who will be eligible for these spiffing new homes? ........ those who have been contributing to the uk tax system for years, or those poor sods who just arrive homeless on our shores?

answers on a postcard

Austrian next president may well be from the far right Freedom Party

Reason?
90,000 or 1% of the population claimed asylum there last year


The current Hungarian gov't is also well to the right, so all sorts of interesting and potentially disturbing happenings beginning to arise across Europe


Merkel's 2 weeks of open-door madness is likely to have far-reaching, long-term effects

Well it seems who cares cynic , it all gets pushed aside for all the luvvies and builders who just think of themselves . Just wait 2 or 3 years down the line .

That Benedict Cumberbache sent a letter to Dave telling him he was concerned for the British countryside and buildings that they needed protecting , and there he is supporting possibly the biggest threat it will ever face , two faced tw@t .

I see the pathetic Haystack is back telling us what's guaranteed to happen , probably on to head office every morning with his latest forecast .

Your best agreeing with will i am or he'll start frothing at the mouth .