Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

So with the debt only growing it sadly looks like the bowl will come out for more tax.
National insurance is being talked about now, with perhaps a 3p in the pound rise for the self employed. The country cannot afford the retirement pattern at the moment.
There is going to be huge changes implemented and the goal posts moved as we go along. The kids of today are going to work till they drop, without wealthy parents and grandparents to get them on the property ladder.

Chuckles ....U Turns........ bloody hell man these present tory posh boys have made more U turns in the last budget than any government in power for 5 years.

And you must have missed this from the article........

David Cameron’s policy is to increase Britain’s debt by 60 per cent, more than any European country. To increase it more over five years than Labour did over 13 years. Just yesterday, we learned the national debt had hit £1,111 billion and it’s heading to £1,400 billion.

And by the way before you accuse me of being a left wing loony I have voted tory twice in the past and similar with labour. Floating voter they call it but I cant bring myself to support a party that has all these rich boys on the front benches who lie through their teeth aswel.

Never known a PM who lies and distorts like Cameron does, the man is a born liar.

What the Torys need is to bring Portillo out of retirement Ken Clarke as his side kick and Tarzan acting as an adviser. Then I would be tempted to vote for them at the next election, but at the moment Im afraid its a 60 seat overall victory for labour.

Tankers family will be fine then!!!!! Could not resist that one.

EATING IN THE UK IN THE FIFTIES

* Pasta had not been invented.
* Curry was a surname.
* Olive oil was kept in the medicine cabinet
* Spices came from the Middle East where they were used for embalming
* Herbs were used to make rather dodgy medicine.
* A takeaway was a mathematical problem.
* A pizza was something to do with a leaning tower.
* Bananas and oranges only appeared at Christmas time.
* The only vegetables known to us were spuds, peas, carrots and cabbage,
* All crisps were plain; the only choice we had was whether to put the salt on or not.
* Condiments consisted of salt, pepper, vinegar and brown sauce if we were lucky.
* Soft drinks were called pop.
* Coke was something that we put on the fire.
* A Chinese chippy was a foreign carpenter.
* Rice was a milk pudding, and never, ever part of our dinner.
* A Big Mac was what we wore when it was raining.
* A Pizza Hut was an Italian shed.
* A microwave was something out of a science fiction movie.
* Brown bread was something only poor people ate.
* Oil was for lubricating, fat was for cooking
* Bread and jam was a treat.
* Tea was made in a teapot using tea leaves and never green.
* Coffee was Camp, and came in a bottle.
* Cubed sugar was regarded as posh.
* Figs and dates appeared every Christmas, but no one ever ate them.
* Coconuts only appeared when the fair came to town.
* Jellied eels were peculiar to Londoners.
* Salad cream was a dressing for salads, mayonnaise did not exist
* Hors d'oeuvre was a spelling mistake.
* The starter was our main meal. Soup was a main meal.
* Only Heinz made beans.
* Leftovers went in the dog.
* Special food for dogs and cats was unheard of.
* Fish was only eaten on Fridays.
* Fish didn't have fingers in those days.
* Eating raw fish was called poverty, not sushi.
* Ready meals only came from the fish and chip shop.
* For the best taste fish and chips had to be eaten out of old newspapers.
* Frozen food was called ice cream.
* Nothing ever went off in the fridge because we never had one.
* Ice cream only came in one colour and one flavour.
* None of us had ever heard of yoghurt.
* Jelly and blancmange was only eaten at parties.
* If we said that we were on a diet, we simply got less.
* Healthy food consisted of anything edible.
* People who didn't peel potatoes were regarded as lazy.
* Indian restaurants were only found in India .
* Brunch was not a meal.
* If we had eaten bacon lettuce and tomato in the same sandwich we would have been certified
* A bun was a small cake back then.
* The word" Barbie" was not associated with anything to do with food.
* Eating outside was a picnic.
* Cooking outside was called camping.
* Seaweed was not a recognised food.
* Pancakes were only eaten on Pancake Tuesday
* "Kebab" was not even a word never mind a food.
* Hot dogs were a type of sausage that only the Americans ate.
* Cornflakes had arrived from America but it was obvious they would never catch on.
* The phrase "boil in the bag" would have been beyond comprehension.
* The idea of "oven chips" would not have made any sense at all to us.
* The world had not heard of Pot Noodles, Instant Mash and Pop Tarts.
* Sugar enjoyed a good press in those days, and was regarded as being white gold.
* Lettuce and tomatoes in winter were only found abroad.
* Prunes were medicinal.
* Surprisingly muesli was readily available in those days, it was called cattle feed.
* Turkeys were definitely seasonal.
* Pineapples came in chunks in a tin; we had only ever seen a picture of a real one.
* We never heard of Croissants we certainly couldn't pronounce it,
* We thought that Baguettes were a problem the French needed to deal with.
* Garlic was used to ward off vampires, but never used to flavour food.
* Water came out of the tap, if someone had suggested bottling it and charging more than petrol for it they would have become a laughing stock.
* Food hygiene was all about washing your hands before meals.
* Campylobacter, Salmonella, E.coli, Listeria, and Botulism were all called "food poisoning."
* The one thing that we never ever had on our table in the fifties …. elbows.

Tim you are a Prick! stay on The Man U thread accross the road and carry on squelching. Fred you are just a liar end of! Once a red always a red! You can't help yourself. Gobshite of the year (recurring). If you told the truth just once you may get some respect, how can you be so naive as to believe anyone with half a brain cannot see through you?

Hey ups looks like Camerons going to have his collar felt over above matter we have been debating tonight.

Noticed the BBC briefly covered it on Q Time and Andrew Neils This Week..........

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jan/24/labour-david-cameron-debt?CMP=twt_gu

Dreams.

No offence taken.

I think the real precursor to the economic chaos was the "cheap" Japanese loans ploughing into the World Economy prior to the cash.

The money sloshing around and passing through multiple hands with small percentage gains. This trading demonstrated itself in the "housing market". Similar in some ways to the "building" craze of empty buildings blocks during the Heath period.

Any way, difficult to stop a party when the majority and the media are having "fun".

Interesting article

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/25/uk-carney-idUKBRE90O07N20130125?feedType=nl&feedName=ukdailyinvestor

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Also, look at his initial actions to the "chaos".

Osborne may have bitten off more than he can chew.

"Analysis - Canada's Carney may ruffle feathers at Bank of England"

Just been given some inside info from JCP Jobcentre by an ex junior of mine when i worked for the Civil Service.

In them days we did a claimant/jobs count every month and was based as a fraction of 40.

40 being the average number of hours per week worked by an employee.

A part-timer on 20 hours counting as .5 of a unit, a full timer 1 full unit.


Now im informed its 1 unit for 37 hours and 1 unit for 18.5 hours in fact 1 full unit for
any part time work.

No wonder we are being told their are more jobs than their has ever been. Its simply not true, the figures are in effect fiddled with the goal posts having been moved by ID Smith.

Now I can see why their has been a contradiction with output and productivity figures which looked and gave the impression that everybody in work was sat around twiddling their thumbs.

My god what a corrupt government, if they arent fiddling the deficit figures and health spending figures they are now fiddling these figures.

Makes you wonder what other figures are being fiddled!!!

Alistair Darling: Gordon Brown bullied the Treasury to fiddle the figures .

Wow never new Labour would do a thing like that. Jesus I'm lost for words. lol
Come on get real lol,the cons are no different to Labour. Figures have and will be fiddled.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100103096/alistair-darling-gordon-brown-bullied-the-treasury-to-fiddle-the-figures/

I'm just catching up on a days posts.
Tanker if you are around can you re write this post...I cannot decipher it....


TANKER - 24 Jan 2013 17:08 - 20684 of 20708
osborne was bragging that he had taken money off PENSIONERS
with a big grin on is face . if he had said that is would kill them off
if we had some bad weather it would not have been so sick

Public sector pension figures 'were fiddled under Brown'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010/jun/27/public-sector-pensions-real-cost

I'm sorry but they are all as bad as one another (thats Labour and the Cons)

GF..

Your Post 20708 is as I suspected and suggested the employment figure were being "fiddle".


I was trying to get hours actually (or said to be) worked.

Also, would like to know Jobs - apprenticeships figures and how they are being audited.

Figures don't lie, but lairs can figure.

lairs may even fox you :-)

It is virtually impossible for the government to fix the figures these days as they come out from separate bodies. The employment figures come from the ONS, which is not under government control. The monetary figures now come from the OBR (Office for Budget Responsibility). The OBR was created in 2010 by the present government to stop tampering with the figures. It puts out its figures without recourse to the government. All the data is on their web site.

http://budgetresponsibility.independent.gov.uk/

Dreams.

Have to agree with you.

Did at one time have a little more respect for the Libs as a party and thought them a little more honest even if didn't agree with many of their policies, but feel many have sold themselves to the highest bidders.

Not against them entering a coalition government, which was probably a reasonable thing to do, but renegating on their publicly declared policies has been and continues to be a suicide mission.

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is "renegating" politico-speak for renegotiation to disguise what is actually reneging?

Cynic,

The latter.

Related forms
ne·ga·tor, ne·gat·er, noun
re·ne·gate, verb (used with object), re·ne·gat·ed, re·ne·gat·ing.
self-ne·gat·ing, adjective
un·ne·gat·ed, adjective

Perhaps somehow Fred the whole political set up of this country needs to change.
One idea might be say to have a mixed team to include perhaps business leaders.
More so that their interests are not to win the next election and go fully out to do whats best for the country. Any other ideas ?

DC yep I agree but last nights fiddle caught on a party political broadcast... WELL.

Never thought id ever see that. Lets face it whats Cameron doing as a tory leader if he cant work out the difference between the structural deficit and the countrys debt.
Its obvious isnt it... hes a liar and the others in the broadcast are aswel.

Dont you worry I was tweeting Rachel Reeves like a bullet.(ohhhhhh shes fit lovely legs)

Fred apprenticeships LOL (12 months!!!!!!!!!!) my Dad did 5 years as a engineering pattern maker back in the old days as did most in other trades.

They are taken out of the claimant count as are people on the 1 year training courses.
As soon as they start their courses in other words they arent shown as unemployed. Its true Labour also used this method aswel towards the end of their period in govt.

It all comes down to actual hours worked and PAID and under labour the figure was
far higher than it is now.Thats why we have been getting the big conflict between productivity/out put and the jobs figures.

Maqgie T was the worst ......29 changes to how the figure was finally compiled, students taken out of figures gypos taken out of figures those over 60 taken out of figures but worst of all she was responsible for Incapacity Benefit as it is now as she had 7 million plus unemployed and it was an embarassment so she said lets take short term sick claimants and transfer them to IC to make the figures look better.