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Aerobox (ARX)     

keith thomas - 20 Apr 2004 17:06

will it ever recover to the 38p i paid for them??

proptrade - 07 Mar 2005 15:31 - 207 of 520

i am an observer here..SB, you obviously have issues about this one!

stockdog - 07 Mar 2005 16:00 - 208 of 520

Out of the 25 biggest trades so far today 12 were definite sells and 4 unknowns (sells in my view) totallying 2.5m sold mostly first thing this morning at 20p. So it has not been an entirely one way trade. The great majority of the blue has been small sizes from punters, not heavyweights which cause market adjustments.

There may be some heavy sellers know to remain keen to get out on a rising price, while the MMs are keen to unload some of their overweight positions into a boyant market to make room for them - so keep the price down. Even so it is 11% up on last week.

I am sort of relying on it dipping a bit to get another bite at it at a more reasonable price over the next few weeks.

SD

rockoj - 08 Mar 2005 08:26 - 209 of 520

no move this am. i thought we would be given direction one way or another.

GUPPYWORLD - 08 Mar 2005 09:07 - 210 of 520

CONSOLIADATION AT THIS LEVEL IS GOOD!!!

middleman - 08 Mar 2005 11:24 - 211 of 520

has anyone got L2 info - tia

cavman2 - 08 Mar 2005 11:25 - 212 of 520

Rumour going round the city of order coming from an airline.

rockoj - 08 Mar 2005 11:33 - 213 of 520

middleman get L2 free for a week at the mo on moneyam.
Maybe taking ADVantage of downtime at a competitior.

cavman2 do we know which airline.

stockdog - 08 Mar 2005 11:44 - 214 of 520

Bid dropped but offer remains the same - protective stance by MMs ??

SD

Paulo2 - 08 Mar 2005 12:28 - 215 of 520

Laker, I think!

LOL

cavman2 - 08 Mar 2005 12:31 - 216 of 520

I have'nt so far on my searching found any indication as to which airline it might be.

proptrade - 08 Mar 2005 12:55 - 217 of 520

we need more info than that! Laker...LOL, i miss that airline it was the best of its day by a mile.

stockdog - 24 Mar 2005 11:21 - 218 of 520

I guess of today's basically sound results, this is the damning paragraph

Prospects

Sales have not developed as fast as we hoped despite the reputation the AeroBox
has gained in the aviation industry as a robust product with low experience of
structural damage. The aviation industry continues to experience severe
financial challenges exacerbated by escalating fuel prices. This, coupled with
the lengthy decision making process amongst many airlines and the effect of raw
material price increases means that ACS will not achieve break even before 2006.

Being 33% down on my recent buy in at average of 19.85p, is this a good opportunity to average down or good money after bad?

Anyone else with a view on this company which fits my parameters perfectly - new technology applied to existing essential market with ancillary applications outside main market. Maybe it's another DEMG - substitute airlines for NHS!

SD

The Oxman - 24 Mar 2005 11:39 - 219 of 520

was tempted when tipped in Sunday Business a while ago - but I believe even they seemed to think results were very speculative/uncertain re timing of new business wins and time they had before competition caught up with them - for now still not tempted given paragraph you quote - sounds like break even is a distant prospect and further cash call on market is not impossible before it is achieved - only my views but near term catalyst are not obvious.

stockdog - 24 Mar 2005 13:33 - 220 of 520

Hi Oxman

On reflection, I have taken the plunge, averaging down from 19.85p to 17.00p. I had some cash to invest and was contemplating splitting it across two recent fallers with strong prospects. In the end I have put it all in ARX who have the best opportunity/fundamentals combined IMHO currently in my portfolio.

My previous comparison with DEMG was not accurate entirely - DEMG have no applications in other industries than the strict medical arena; ARX could have many outside the air freight business.

The product is proven and in service - 500 units with Saudi Arabian, Virgin and others. The plant is up to scale for full production. They have cash in the bank. They have 3 other strategic directions to pursue - refrigerated units (very exciting IMHO), other industrial applications (there must be many, including the military), and setting up a manufacturing base in China (a JV with Chinese capital and ARX know-how to service the massive growth in Chinese import/export could be a winning formula at no extra cost of capital to shareholders - see DOO in another context). The price has fallen to the price of the last placing at 14p - surely some support there. This is also the same as the December low - another support indicator. Since the oversold price below 14p first thing today, the price has bounced back to 14.25p and, in spite of a constant stream of sells, the price remains there - so the MMs are happy to take stock on at that price which puts me in good company.

So they won't break even until 2006. Well, I'm not going anywhere before then, so I can wait. It's going to become the industry standard by then, I think.

BUY - IMHO, DYOR

SD

The Oxman - 24 Mar 2005 15:07 - 221 of 520

good luck

stockdog - 24 Mar 2005 17:23 - 222 of 520

Nah! Good judgement! lol :D

cavman2 - 25 Mar 2005 00:07 - 223 of 520

Christ what a nice Easter present I was hoing they might have had one contract whatever the size.
Britishbulls had this as a sell at 20p next time I will take note.

stockdog - 29 Mar 2005 10:31 - 224 of 520

Good judgement obviously outweighed by bad luck today! What a downer! Still gonna hang in there till the inevitable happens. Although it would be good to get news of a few more sales this year so far.

SD

javelin - 29 Mar 2005 21:34 - 225 of 520

I have to confess that I had not appreciated that last Thursday was going to be results day and it was not until this evening that I have had a chance to see/analyse the information and digest what has been, to put it mildly, a rather sharp fall in sp.

For me ARX is only a small part of my total portfolio. I prefer to invest in the more well known companies as I only have the time and inclination for a 'hands off' approach to share ownership. Nevertheless I do occasionally dabble in the more speculative end of the market if the products on offer are of particular interest to me (not necessarily the best reason!) and then I tend to hold for some time.

I have held ARX for close on 18 months having bought when the sp was in the mid 20s. I was attracted to them primarily because I saw the potential of the composite material across a number of applications, and more specifically, saw the development of ARX's ULDs as addressing a real problem, that of maintenance and repair, associated with the aluminium boxes.

Do not underestimate what the Company has achieved over the past 18 months...development and trials of a basic ULD; development of further models; some orders (albeit probably at a heavy discount); development of a temp controlled ULD (in collaboration with Kelvin) which again addresses a real problem of transportation by air of temperature sensitive items such as vaccines; start-up of a factory in New Mexico and installation of some automatic production techniques; some manufacture of non ULD items (not fully detailed); work with the Chinese on possible collaborations. All this had to be done whilst demonstrating that their products and manufacturing processes are in compliance with the demands of the FAA/CAA. At the same time as all this was going on a dispute with Watermark had to be resolved with the consequence that a new approach to marketing ULDs needed to be developed. A pretty good job all round in my humble opinion.

Where there has been disappointment is in the failure of the Company to secure large volume ULD orders from the airline industry. I do not believe there is anything wrong with the products as such. They have been shown to be a significant improvement over those they replace and I am confident, as further real operational data come through, that that optimism will be further reinforced.

Although the Company has cited a number of factors for the lack of orders, it is my view that the high cost of fuel and the impact on airlines' management decision making has been paramount. I've seen it all before...management when confronted with what seems like one overwhelming cost issue begin to impose blanket freezes on all other expenditure. This is where ARX is suffering...at this stage in the fuel cost cycle, airline management just don't want to know about ARX and its ULDs (or anything elese non fuel) even if the business case is compelling. The good news, in my opinion, is that airline management will quickly begin to get used to these higher fuel prices and will in time revert to a more 'business as normal' approach and will again look more favourably at what the likes of ARX have on offer. Anyway there will come a point when older style ULDs will become irreparable and will need replacing thus forcing the issue.

One further point I would like to add is that Airlines can be remarkably conservative in their approach to change. When I started out as a young aeronautical engineer nearly half a century ago we could'nt develop new techniques quick enough...if it was new it must be better. No sooner had we thought about it than it seemed to be in service...great days! Today the tendency is for a slow initial build up and once everything is thoroughly tested and a certain penetration threshold is attained then the rest follow very quickly. I think that well could be the case with ARX and its ULDs. Sorry to drone on ...good luck everybody.


aldwickk - 29 Mar 2005 22:21 - 226 of 520

Javelin,

Very good post.
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