Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Perhaps somehow Fred the whole political set up of this country needs to change.
One idea might be say to have a mixed team to include perhaps business leaders.
More so that their interests are not to win the next election and go fully out to do whats best for the country. Any other ideas ?

DC yep I agree but last nights fiddle caught on a party political broadcast... WELL.

Never thought id ever see that. Lets face it whats Cameron doing as a tory leader if he cant work out the difference between the structural deficit and the countrys debt.
Its obvious isnt it... hes a liar and the others in the broadcast are aswel.

Dont you worry I was tweeting Rachel Reeves like a bullet.(ohhhhhh shes fit lovely legs)

Fred apprenticeships LOL (12 months!!!!!!!!!!) my Dad did 5 years as a engineering pattern maker back in the old days as did most in other trades.

They are taken out of the claimant count as are people on the 1 year training courses.
As soon as they start their courses in other words they arent shown as unemployed. Its true Labour also used this method aswel towards the end of their period in govt.

It all comes down to actual hours worked and PAID and under labour the figure was
far higher than it is now.Thats why we have been getting the big conflict between productivity/out put and the jobs figures.

Maqgie T was the worst ......29 changes to how the figure was finally compiled, students taken out of figures gypos taken out of figures those over 60 taken out of figures but worst of all she was responsible for Incapacity Benefit as it is now as she had 7 million plus unemployed and it was an embarassment so she said lets take short term sick claimants and transfer them to IC to make the figures look better.

Fred the hours worked you wanted are in the post Haystack posted. The hours go back to 2009 and forward to 2017 odd. The hours look fairly consistant.

Shall we set up as a team then .lol

I agree goldfinger it all stinks.

Haystacks your above post re...OBR (Office for Budget Responsibility).....have they ever forecast any figures correctly yet?????????

Only this lunch time Andrew Neil when interviewing ginger top.... Danny ??????
asked him should they be sacked.

Dream,

My wife has just heard that the UK economy has shrunk.

She told me that they shouldn't have put it in the hot wash.





On thinking I think she was probably right!

Yes,lol

GF,

The Andrew Neil programme on Thursday night is generally very interesting.

I only wish he would drop the humorous parts.

Personal taste, but I find is spoils the program and I am glad the of the non appearance of the giggling Diane Abbott.


I will try and have a look at those figures.

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Dreams,

There have been other ideas of forming democratic governments based on representation of the different groups within society.

(There were weres attempts to introduce such in central Europe in the 30s. I will try and remember what my father-in-law told me about the political intrigues of that period.)

The only problem is that when you get more than one person in a group you tend to get grouping and hence you are on the political down path to party affiliation for future fabours.

However, much as we try to deceive ourselves, we tend to end up being self serving in one way or another.

I just wish sometimes it wasn't so bloody obvious.

I am getting old.

On just recently washing a lovely coat on 90 degrees instead of 30 I agree with your wife, my eyes are shrinking as well. Old age Oh! Not Good! fred

''The only problem is that when you get more than one person in a group you tend to get grouping and hence you are on the political down path to party affiliation for future fabours.''

Yes just like the current Con/Lib set up .

Its almost as if the economy cannot run with Labours thinking or the Conservatives or even sort of half and half.

It all needs to change, but how.?

If you can remember back to the 30's (jesus 80 yrs ago) that would be of interest.

me tea time. lol

never voted labour.

As Chris Carson states, that is unlikely although he used a stronger term.

As you didn't vote in the last election you gave up your right to complain about the current govt. I can only guess your long suffering, benefit scrounging family have banned you from moaning about politics because you get on their nerves. Unfortunately you spend all your time on here, moaning about politics and getting on our nerves.

chuckles - i assume you are talking about fred, and if so, i agree with you 150% .... if you can't be bothered to vote - a mainstay of democracy - then you have given up all rights to complain about anything that any gov't does

A lot of utter rubbish being talked on this thread, but I do agree that if you don't bother to vote then you lose the right to complain when it all goes pear-shaped. And Cameron is still a complete novice at lying when compared to Blair.

Chuckles and Cynic,

You both often write an awful lot of bull shit!

Even if my vote was as powerful as in your deluded minds seem to think it is, I doubt that in the constituency I reside, that it would influence the outcome in any election.

Also, not voting represents my opinion of the various candidates of the different parties who stand in my area for election.

I hope that you will permit me my entitlement.

Also, it has reference to the policies they stand on and the likely hood of them keeping their promises. (Like the chances with the present coalition, pretty remote.)

Being able to vote, or not to, is the prerogative of those living in the majority of democracies and would be fundamental, in my view, to the state being called a democracy.

Of course, your version of a democracy may only permit me to vote for those of similar opinions to yourself.


As far my family is concerned, I suspect that they have done more for society that you are likely to have done by the end of your existence and certainly are not presumptuous to form opinions on such scant knowledge as you have.

Also, they are interest in politics and international affairs, although they are disillusioned by the "mob" leading this country at the moment.

Of course, you are entitled to be as opinionated as you wish and have the freedom to express yourself in the manner that think befits you. That of course applies to Cynic and Kid Carson.

If you don't like my postings, feel free to use the squelch button.

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By the way, if you are, as would seem to me, to be a tory adherent, do congratulate yourself on having the present leadership, who are likely to provide the UK with a triple dip recession and alienate many in Europe who were once friends of this country.

Have a good weekend and may it last.

Chuckles and Cynic,

You both often write an awful lot of bull shit!

Even if my vote was as powerful as in your deluded minds seem to think it is, I doubt that in the constituency I reside, that it would influence the outcome in any election.

Also, not voting represents my opinion of the various candidates of the different parties who stand in my area for election.

I hope that you will permit me my entitlement.

Also, it has reference to the policies they stand on and the likely hood of them keeping their promises. (Like the chances with the present coalition, pretty remote.)

Being able to vote, or not to, is the prerogative of those living in the majority of democracies and would be fundamental, in my view, to the state being called a democracy.

Of course, your version of a democracy may only permit me to vote for those of similar opinions to yourself.


As far my family is concerned, I suspect that they have done more for society that you are likely to have done by the end of your existence and certainly are not presumptuous to form opinions on such scant knowledge as you have.

Also, they are interest in politics and international affairs, although they are disillusioned by the "mob" leading this country at the moment.

Of course, you are entitled to be as opinionated as you wish and have the freedom to express yourself in the manner that think befits you. That of course applies to Cynic and Kid Carson.

If you don't like my postings, feel free to use the squelch button.

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By the way, if you are, as would seem to me, to be a tory adherent, do congratulate yourself on having the present leadership, who are likely to provide the UK with a triple dip recession and alienate many in Europe who were once friends of this country.

Have a good weekend and may it last.

Fred - at least we take the trouble to vote .... if you don't like the present bunch, then it behoves you even more to vote for another lot of whatever hue takes your fancy instead of just crying as you do, "mummy, mummy - this goverment's really beastly and should never have been allowed into power" .....

as for bullshit, you are the past master of it ....
and as for "more for society than you"; may you choke on your own unbelievable arrogance and presumption .....

as i have said before, as a non-voter, you have de facto thrown away all rights to complain or gripe about any political party or their decisions or efforts, however wrong-headed they may seem at the time or even ultimately be so with hindsight - or even not so with hindsight.

finally, i have never allowed anyone here to bully me into squelching them, and assuredly you will not be the first.

Ahh Kid Carson eh Freddie Boy, remind me did you not squelch me a number of years ago? You know, along with umpteen other posters who had the gall to take the pxss out of your incessant ramblings (shixe) all things Brown and New Labour. Sadly you can fool some of the people some of the time etc, seem to be doing a good job on dreamcatcher judging by the above posts but have no fear he will suss you out eventually. No doubt cynic and chuckles if they carry on will be next on the old squelchy step :O)

Please remember my posts bear no malice, pity perhaps, but all done in the best possible taste. Have a nice weekend xxx

You begin to get a bit sick of moan, moan, moan. I thought investing was meant to be enjoyable. Jesus