Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

LOL, Thats an early night for you G :-))

Charts working.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sugar didnt think they would be back up tonight. Been doing a load of research on mid caps from about 10 ish. Not going to start now on Chart Attack.

Only found one and that was Fenner. Mind Investors Chronicle dont seem to like it.

Been using Big Charts instead for research.

Off to bed now.

getting back to renegotiating the treaty with EU ......

i find it very interesting that even germany is supporting the idea of a robust debate on this very serious issue.

whereas the likes of germany, france and others are unable for both psychological and political reasons, to be critical of the treaty as it stands, the uk, because of its long history of vocal dissent, can easily take up that cudgel ...... this then gives the other countries an excuse to bow to at least some of the uk demands, using the excuse of "reluctant, but in the interests of continued unity"

when it comes to a referendum - let's hope the question is put sensibly for once! - i suspect that if there are no concessions at all, then i shall vote "out", though the arguments at the time may lead me to vote differently

the "great unwashed" will almost certainly vote "out" but without having really thought it all through ..... as my late father-in-law said back in 1973, "they're only interested in what will happen to the price of butter"

Cynic,

It is strange for somebody so enthusiastic about democracy would seem dictatorial
when it comes to the rights and reasons of others to vote or not to vote.


It seems that the meaning of "democracy" varies from one person to another.

But thankfully the right to register opinion dissent is still legal in this country.

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Also, many remarks contained in some of your postings in reply to others other than myself often seem obnoxious and deliberately offensive


In your remark Posting 20749:

"the "great unwashed" will almost certainly vote "out" but without having really thought it all through ..... as my late father-in-law said back in 1973, "they're only interested in what will happen to the price of butter""

are you referring to the R wing of the tory party?

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Again, I find the remark made by Chuckles in his post 20731

"As you didn't vote in the last election you gave up your right to complain about the current govt. I can only guess your long suffering, benefit scrounging family have banned you from moaning about politics because you get on their nerves. Unfortunately you spend all your time on here, moaning about politics and getting on our nerves."


to be deliberately offensive and hence my response.

You seem to agree with him, with your posting with a similar whine and hence my inclusion of you in that posting.

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Again, you may not agree with my sentiments, but I seem to see there are attempts be considered to remove Osborne as chancellor and then Cameron as leader of a party in disarray before the next election.

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fred - i care not one iota if my comments offend your sensibilities ...... as i said, in my opinion - and it seems i am not alone - you have forsaken your rights to complain about the actions of any gov't of any hue by refusing or failing to vote ..... if you follow form, you will also refuse to vote in any in/out referendum on eu membership, but no doubt you will then continue to gripe about the format of the question (hard cheese; as in an exam, that is the question posed), the result or some connected matter

and as you refuse to vote, who gives a toss as to your view about the tory party, with which you seem so strangely obsessed ...... you put forward nothing constructive whatsoever - e.g. an alternative - but just whine and moan and grizzle ad nauseam

what i like in australia is the legal obligation to turn out to vote ...... that does not preclude spoiling one's paper (i think), but it does ensure that the whole populace has had a say in "what happens next"

and would i say all the above to your face? ...... damn right i would!

Cynic,

Once again, you are entitled to your opinions.

I hope you placed on yourself the same limitations you would like to place on me.

I take it of course, that as you don't seem to be a subject of the USA, France Germany, or Syria, etc., you are not fit person to have a right to be critical of the actions of the government of those countries, or indeed voice any opinion.


Voting is a right not an obligation. Check back to the Reform acts and later bills on voting rights.

Not voting is a statement, and those deliberately not voting are suggesting that they have little "faith" in "promises" of the candidates and the manifestos of the different parties. Perhaps the main parties should review their agendas.

Many non-voters are voicing that opinion in a way they feel most appropriate.

As far as being constructive, read back to some of my earlier postings (beginning a t the time of George Osborne catastrophic first budget) about investment in infrastructure, etc.

Believe it, or not, the tories are in the driving seat of the said "coalition" government and are "failing the country". If it was a government of a different hue, I would be just as critical.

To-day from the media it seems to me that many influential opinions within the tory party, the media in general and economists (home grown and international) in general think that George's current policies are wrong.

(Wait for the U-turn.)

As far as saying "it" to my face is concerned, I would be careful how you say it and how close you are to my face when you say it and whether it is in a threatening manner or not.

Have a weekend.

PS.

In 1948 the United Nations passed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which called for 'respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion'.


You seem to me to have little regard for that declaration.

In Australia the reality is that almost no one gets prosecuted for not voting.

Now come on guys lets keep things non personal. By all means have a good ding dong and debate but lets not resort to name calling etc. etc.

Dont want the problems that we had in the summer where management had to intervene.

quite right :-)
sorry Fred .... i confess i did get a bit carried away and fully deserve a wrist-slap

Fred, I would take issue with one thing in particular you have posted, post 20753 -
"I take it of course, that as you don't seem to be a subject of the USA, France Germany, or Syria, etc., you are not fit person to have a right to be critical of the actions of the government of those countries, or indeed voice any opinion."

And why not be critical of these governments? They all seem to be very critical of the government in this country and they don't belong to this country. The government of the USA in particular needs to get it's own house in order before passing judgement on how other countries conduct themselves.

Oh! how I agree dc, just wish they would all kiss and make up. Not sure about the colour of the lipstick and whether it would it would match the lycra gear but hey ho. Have a good evening all whatever you may be doing. Stop blinking arguing, life is too short.

Doodle.

I think there is a misunderstanding of the inferences I was making regarding previous exchanges with Mr C. I was being a little facetious.

I think it is perfectly right and proper to be critical, or complimentary of an administration of another country, or our own.

Often, the criticism, if honestly made and justified may be eventually listened to by the "leaders" or the "public" and can lead to beneficial change.

Look at changes in Burma and ME, perhaps even within Israel some realignment maybe occurring due to outside criticism.

I find it harder to credit the interference in the administrating of another country is by external force, but when one sees what is happening in Syria and Mali etc. sometimes it would seem appropriate.

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3ms.

My mother told me not to trust ladies with lipstick on.

But I have always enjoyed trouble.

Ah! fred it was a good job lycra was not inveted then. My mum told me never to trust a man. Sorry.

(invented).

Oh! dear I forgot to add I prefer men to women so I must have always enjoyed trouble as well.

Er keep this thread clean please. :-))