Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I would accept the latter.

All organisation have internal and external problems.

One hopes one can change, modify, admit the mistakes regarding internal administration and adjust the external environment. Preying on your neighbour for a quick buck in the long term is less rewarding.

Europe is beginning to think that is what the UK is trying to do.

(The necessary changes can be made, already the majority of the Europeans are speaking English. 8-) )

Cyn,

Sounds like they have the same opinion of traders.

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Immigration has its problems. I know when I was a student about 55 years ago I believed in the free flow of people and removal of interstate boundaries, but never saw that migration would be on the present scale, or promote the problems which it is doing.

I talk about this with my daughter and every time we consider a good solutions we find all the weaknesses.

Possibly, if the EU succeeds economically, then the reasons for European migration at the present levels may lessen.

But your "parents" and many of my wife's family migrated here for political and economic reasons.

Difficult to tell another's family that they are not permitted to come in.

more tomorrow, but suffice it for now to say that times change

The UK certainly needs Germany - but Germany also need us, and I'm sure that both parties would reach an agreement whereby they continued to enjoy that trade regardless of whether we were in or out.

And I've got to admit that Club Med anchovies and olives are incomparable, so we'd need to ensure their supply is uninterrupted if we quit.

I do like France - it's just a shame it's full of the French.

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't miss anything to do with Bulgaria or Romania, so I'll have a wash and then vote 'out'.

op osborne was on cnbc talking to sky news
he was grinning and smiling that he had taken money off pensioners
and making workers work longer .
and the report said that many would not reach pension age
osborne just smiled . horrible person is osborne

op BUY MRW UNDER VALUED BY 50P

fred - i can't remember, but wasn't your opening comment that you would vote NO? .... if so, that seems to have changed

anyway, back to my last observation yesterday ....
when both sets of grandparents came to this country at the very beginning of 20th century, i don't think there would have been any restriction at all, but then nor was there any state support or benefits.

by ww2, it was not easy to gain entry even for political asylum (the jews) and at the very least you needed sponsorship to show that you would not be leaning on the state for economic support

the west indian community was invited over from 1948 through early 50s (read about The Windrush) as the uk's labour force had been shredded once again by a devastating war. By that time, there was a fledgling NHS and i guess some other types of state support .... however, it should not be forgotten that jamaica and others were part of the commonwealth who, at that time, had automatic right of entry

this automatic right of entry was withdrawn within (say) the last 30 years (can't remember), and certainly there was a huge outcry when the hk chinese were refused except "by invitation"

however, the eu rules have opened an oil-tanker of problems with every tomasz (sorry of that name :-)), goran and ljuban now being allowed to come and work and/or to work the system to get housing, healthcare, unemployment benefit etc ..... this cannot be right when so many of our own youngsters (especially) cannot get jobs, let alone housing, no matter how hard they try

assuredly i am not suggesting a blanket ban on immigration, but i do believe that economic tests and other point system devices should be firmly implemented

sorry to be so long-winded

Cynic,

Even though frustrated by the EU and its integration I have nearly always been a believer in such.

Probably, the part of the attachment is emotional and commenced after hitch hiking around France an Belgium in the the the 50s and going to the 1958 Expo in Brussels.

At the time, didn't have much "faith" in the unions, but by affiliation was a member of the International Union of Students and meeting and making friends and talking on warm sunny nights at Cassis, (where I first had fish tail soup) became a fervent believer in the "unification" of Europe and hopeful harmony.

Britain was dismal at that time at that time, still worn down by the war and yet there seem to be optimism and a kindred feeling in France etc..

With all its problems the EU still seems sensible and beneficial to all within it.

I would be prepared to vote yes for staying in the EU and working for some reorganisation and greater integration.

I don't feel any less a Welshman in France than I do in England, but feel I am a European quite strongly.

Immigration, time for some revisions.

A 16-year-old boy was heard screaming for his life before he was fatally stabbed by a gang armed with knives and swords, residents said today.

The teenager, named locally as Hani Abou El-Kheir, was attacked in Pimlico, central London, shortly before 7pm yesterday evening and taken to a nearby hospital, but he died from his injuries two hours later.

Shocked residents living close to the scene on Lupus Street, claimed today that a gang of black and white teenagers were seen carrying out the attack.

Other witnesses have claimed that the victim's mother, named by locals as Pauline Hickey, rushed to the scene and was seen crying as she was kept behind a police cordon.
this is the uk 2013 no law and order we need be bring back the noose

Horsemeat found in burgers made for British supermarkets was imported from Poland
Patties supplied to Aldi, Lidl and Iceland contained up to 20% horse DNA
Raw meat delivered to Tesco contained as much as 29.1% horsemeat
Burger King also stopped using products supplied by the Irish firm



what do they expect anything goes in poland

When I have eaten horse meat I have enjoyed it.

8-)

You should try a steak of it sometime.

i have many times . but it did come from a good butchers shop not some flea pit in poland were they never wash there hands .

zebra is very nice meat

Did you inspect the Polish abattoir?

Or is your opinion based on your strongly held prejudices?

I find the stripes a bit tough.

You are not supposed to swallow it whole.

I was in Strasbourg on business and wanted lunch. I went into a restaurant called Cheval Blanc, which should have been a clue. I was having trouble picking something. I saw 'poulain in daube'. I thought that it had to be chicken of some sort as there is poulet and poussin. I knew that 'en daube' meant a type of stew. As I was waiting for the waiter my companion looked it up in the dictionary. She grabbed my arm and suggested that I order something else. Poulain is foal!

I looked up the restaurant and it is still there. I think it had a Michelin star.

I guess one man's veal is another man's foal!

I was in a restaurant in Frankfurt with a friend and someone local. They had venison on the menu, but we did not know the German. My friend asked what this dish was and the German guy did not know the English word for venison. A bit later while we were reading the menu, he suddenly said "I have it, Bambi".