Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I see the pathetic Haystack is back telling us what's guaranteed to happen , probably on to head office every morning with his latest forecast .

Your best agreeing with will i am or he'll start frothing at the mouth .

I think Hays has been outed... a trojan horse.

He always was.

His stated love of Call Me Dave should have tipped a few off to which way he leans.

Victim
Stop talking like a victim.

A minimum target of over 240,000 new homes a year is policy for all major UK political parties, dating away back before 2000. This is not something dreamt up by the EU. A blind rider on a galloping horse can see demand exceeds supply. It's not an in or out of EU consideration.
Just because you are comfortable in your palace doesn't mean we should now stop building houses for others.


Cynic
I agree. New council homes are badly needed. Since the right to buy something like 1 new council house is built for every 1500 sold off.
We are the 5th richest world economy so we can find a way to build them.
Surely one of the measures of a sustainable economy is that it is able to house the population in affordable homes.

David Cameron's disgraceful dishonesty over the EU is turning Britain into a banana republic

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/05/21/david-camerons-disgraceful-dishonesty-over-the-eu-is-turning-bri/?ref=yfp

I do like Cameron very much and I think he has been doing a good job. I wanted a Conservative government and predicted a majority. I think he got the best deal that was available in discussions with the EU recently.

However, I will still vote out.

Don't confuse my wish to leave the EU with my belief that the vote will be to stay in.

I had dinner last night with some Italian, Spanish and French friends who are all restaurateurs or who used to be. There were twelve of us and I was a lone voice wanting to leave the EU. It was interesting to hear the European point of view. They have all lived in the UK for many years and most now have dual nationality. They all want a federal EU and a United States of Europe.

Many Europeans are happy to have open movement and migration. They see themselves as European and not Italian, French etc. and not bothered about having their cultures diluted.

In the UK, we are very different from mainland Europe. Although it was 11 to 1 for staying in, the vote round the table was 12 to 0 that we would vote to stay in. Towards the end of the evening the discussion started to involve other tables and some of the staff. There were others who agreed with me and wanted to leave. A poll of the restaurant, including people who wanted to leave resulted in 100% believing that the public would vote IN.

Haystacks..."I do like Cameron very much and I think he has been doing a
good job. I think he got the best deal that was available in discussions
with the EU recently"


'Call me Dave has done nothing but break promises, do 'U' turns,
make constant sound bites, LIES, DECEIVES, and uses fear and
scaremongering...

Obviously some people are oblivious to the Bloomberg speech
that cameron made, when he defiantly declared that if he didn't
achieve his objectives then he would'nt hesitate to recomend to
leave the EU.

When all the preening and blustering was done and 'DAVE' came back
waving a piece of paper declaring triumphantly his success at negotiating
his 'reforms'...When in reality they were all empty watered down
unimportant tweaking...

If it wern't so important I'd be laughing my nuts off.....

That's it then. A multinational bunch of diners has decided. Let's hope that they are so convinced that they don't turn up to vote. Despite the Polly Toynbees of this world dismissing the Brexiteers as only having immigration in its locker, many are against the affront of an unelected european commission that originates all the laws and a jacked-up nobody called Junkcer - just Junk to those that know him, threatening us if we dare to vote out. Reasonable immigration is good but the wage differences between the UK and the former soviet controlled countries is simply too large. That clearly is a major draw to the UK, with the attendant pressures on housing, doctors surgeries and schools. When we vote out, that is not going to stop but it will certainly slow down.
The scare mongering about the £, prices etc is simply just that. Sure, there will be some wobbles where the usual culprits will make a lot of money but things will settle very quickly and we will be proud we did the right thing.

If the country are foolish enough to vote to remain, and the economy in the
EU continues to stagnate and if the UK do avoid being dragged into a
slow down, then even those so called 'highly skilled', or university educated
who think their jobs are safe might have a rude awakening if those 'highly skilled'
from struggling eu countries decide to come here and start taking their jobs...

But then again these very same people will just up sticks and move to countries
like Australia, NZ, USA...So its all right for them jack.......

Watch out Granny's boy and Vicky.

Every one gets to vote. The country decides.
If the majority vote in, that's it. You got to have your say, the majority disagreed with you. What's foolish about that.?

David Cameron : "Turkey joining EU is not 'remotely' on the cards"


Ho no..Then why is he giving 2 billion euro's to help fast track them into the EU????

He's a lying deceptive piece of s***.....

Yes maybe so, but when you've got foreign organisations like the IMF,
Goldman Sachs, and all the other's, begged by cameron and his cronies
to put their pennyworth's in, ALL of them with ulterior motives or
vested interest, IE: As in being pro EU organisations or being paid/getting
donations by Brussels....

Then yes if they are gullible to believe these organisations and individuals,
then they're foolish!!......

gb
The Turks are not being fast tracked into Europe. All they are getting is visa free tourist travel. They won't be able to work in the EU or even stay very long. And none of it applies to the UK as we are not part of the Schengen agreement.

Cameron did get what he wanted out of the EU.

Haystacks have you been hitting the sherbuts?

When I said Turkey was being fast tracked into the EU(Full membership),
that's what I meant, and what is happening...Its got nothing to do with
the 'deal' with Turkey and the EU with sending back the ILLEGAL immigrants
arriving in Greece and being able to send these ILLEGALS back, which
includes the Turks visa free travel through europe..

"And non will be able to stay long"....How will the authorities know how long
they stay, there's nothing to stop them staying 3/6/9 months, or longer...

As to "Cameron did get what he wanted out of the EU"

So what he said at the Bloomburg conference was just B***S**t, and up
until the start of the 'reform' negotiations!!!..


In other words my observations of 'Call me Dave' being a snake oil
salesman is undeniably true.........

Every country in the EU has a veto on any country joining. There are several countries who will exercise their veto to keep Turkey out including the UK. Turkey will not be joining for a generation or more.

i am very puzzled ..... why do commonwealth immigrants - non-uk citizens - have the right to vote in OUR referendum?

i know i'm tired, but i'm sure i heard that correctly on this evening's news

Austrian exit poll tied at 50-50
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Citizens from over 70 nations will be able to vote in the UK referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Union if they have UK residence. But most European Union nationalities will be excluded.

Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including ­Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral roll as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar will also be eligible to vote in the EU referendum.

Bizarrely, Irish Republic citizens who are resident in UK can vote.