Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Haystacks..."I do like Cameron very much and I think he has been doing a
good job. I think he got the best deal that was available in discussions
with the EU recently"


'Call me Dave has done nothing but break promises, do 'U' turns,
make constant sound bites, LIES, DECEIVES, and uses fear and
scaremongering...

Obviously some people are oblivious to the Bloomberg speech
that cameron made, when he defiantly declared that if he didn't
achieve his objectives then he would'nt hesitate to recomend to
leave the EU.

When all the preening and blustering was done and 'DAVE' came back
waving a piece of paper declaring triumphantly his success at negotiating
his 'reforms'...When in reality they were all empty watered down
unimportant tweaking...

If it wern't so important I'd be laughing my nuts off.....

That's it then. A multinational bunch of diners has decided. Let's hope that they are so convinced that they don't turn up to vote. Despite the Polly Toynbees of this world dismissing the Brexiteers as only having immigration in its locker, many are against the affront of an unelected european commission that originates all the laws and a jacked-up nobody called Junkcer - just Junk to those that know him, threatening us if we dare to vote out. Reasonable immigration is good but the wage differences between the UK and the former soviet controlled countries is simply too large. That clearly is a major draw to the UK, with the attendant pressures on housing, doctors surgeries and schools. When we vote out, that is not going to stop but it will certainly slow down.
The scare mongering about the £, prices etc is simply just that. Sure, there will be some wobbles where the usual culprits will make a lot of money but things will settle very quickly and we will be proud we did the right thing.

If the country are foolish enough to vote to remain, and the economy in the
EU continues to stagnate and if the UK do avoid being dragged into a
slow down, then even those so called 'highly skilled', or university educated
who think their jobs are safe might have a rude awakening if those 'highly skilled'
from struggling eu countries decide to come here and start taking their jobs...

But then again these very same people will just up sticks and move to countries
like Australia, NZ, USA...So its all right for them jack.......

Watch out Granny's boy and Vicky.

Every one gets to vote. The country decides.
If the majority vote in, that's it. You got to have your say, the majority disagreed with you. What's foolish about that.?

David Cameron : "Turkey joining EU is not 'remotely' on the cards"


Ho no..Then why is he giving 2 billion euro's to help fast track them into the EU????

He's a lying deceptive piece of s***.....

Yes maybe so, but when you've got foreign organisations like the IMF,
Goldman Sachs, and all the other's, begged by cameron and his cronies
to put their pennyworth's in, ALL of them with ulterior motives or
vested interest, IE: As in being pro EU organisations or being paid/getting
donations by Brussels....

Then yes if they are gullible to believe these organisations and individuals,
then they're foolish!!......

gb
The Turks are not being fast tracked into Europe. All they are getting is visa free tourist travel. They won't be able to work in the EU or even stay very long. And none of it applies to the UK as we are not part of the Schengen agreement.

Cameron did get what he wanted out of the EU.

Haystacks have you been hitting the sherbuts?

When I said Turkey was being fast tracked into the EU(Full membership),
that's what I meant, and what is happening...Its got nothing to do with
the 'deal' with Turkey and the EU with sending back the ILLEGAL immigrants
arriving in Greece and being able to send these ILLEGALS back, which
includes the Turks visa free travel through europe..

"And non will be able to stay long"....How will the authorities know how long
they stay, there's nothing to stop them staying 3/6/9 months, or longer...

As to "Cameron did get what he wanted out of the EU"

So what he said at the Bloomburg conference was just B***S**t, and up
until the start of the 'reform' negotiations!!!..


In other words my observations of 'Call me Dave' being a snake oil
salesman is undeniably true.........

Every country in the EU has a veto on any country joining. There are several countries who will exercise their veto to keep Turkey out including the UK. Turkey will not be joining for a generation or more.

i am very puzzled ..... why do commonwealth immigrants - non-uk citizens - have the right to vote in OUR referendum?

i know i'm tired, but i'm sure i heard that correctly on this evening's news

Austrian exit poll tied at 50-50
2517

Citizens from over 70 nations will be able to vote in the UK referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Union if they have UK residence. But most European Union nationalities will be excluded.

Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including ­Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral roll as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar will also be eligible to vote in the EU referendum.

Bizarrely, Irish Republic citizens who are resident in UK can vote.

Proof positive, if it was needed, as to who Cameroon works for..




Tory fury as David Cameron suggests Labour government in Europe better than Conservative one outside it







By Kate McCann, Senior political correspondent
22 May 2016 • 7:51pm


David Cameron has "betrayed" Conservative activists and MPs by suggesting that a Labour Government inside the EU would be better than the Conservatives under Brexit, a senior Cabinet source has warned.

Asked if the UK would be "stronger, safer and better off" in the EU under Labour or out under the Tories the Prime Minister said the Europe vote is the more important decision.

He added that "you can always get rid" of political parties in Westminster in five years time, but that the EU referendum vote will be "impossible to reverse".

His comments have prompted fury among Conservative MPs and Leave campaigners, who believe Mr Cameron was suggesting a Jeremy Corbyn-led Government would be a price worth paying to remain in the EU.

One senior cabinet source told The Telegraph: "Members of the Conservative party, grassroots supporters and MPs worked incredibly hard to deliver a Conservative majority at last year's election.

"For the Prime Minister to now hint that a Labour Government could be a positive prospect is a kick in the teeth that some people will see as a betrayal.


“But if you ask me what is a more important decision, a General Election or this Europe vote, actually the Europe vote is more important. Because if you don’t like the Government, you can always get rid of them in five years’ time”

David Cameron



More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/tory-fury-as-david-cameron-suggests-labour-government-in-europe/

That is complete nonsense. I saw the interview. Robert Peston tried to make out that Cameron said that but he didn't. He just said that the referendum is more important than a general election which it is because governments are temporary.

No no Haystack.

Dave fucked up this time, or his controllers did.

The hand up his back making his mouth move was missing, and so off it ran...out of control.


btw, the mask is slipping...

Not at all. Robert Peston even tried to get Cameron to agree that he had said that Labour IN would be better than Conservative OUT, but Cameron said that wasn't the case. It was just Peston trying to put words in his mouth. A bit of a non event. Peston is trying too hard to make a name for himself since leaving BBC and going to ITV.

Is there really a Haystack or is it just a stooge for central office that go on BBs to defend their dodgy deceptive lie machine that is Dave .

Haystack why has the UK(cameron) given 2 billion euro's to help Turkey
achieve fast track membership of the EU...Where has this money gone
if its not been used for what they say its for???...

There was reports yesterday from cameron that Turkey would'nt be
joining for hundreds of years......

WHAT AN UTTER LIE AND A BLATANT ATTEMPT AT DECEIVING THE PUBLIC...

IT'S BEEN CAMERONS ONGOING OBJECTIVE TO GET TURKEY INTO THE EU!!!

As it's his next destination , that is a JOB in Brussels , there's got to be some collaboration with Merkel I would think a sort of get lining things up now . I've always thought he couldn't care how many immigrants came here .