Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

It is alright boys, Osborne will blame any recessions on the World Economy, not his own incompetence.

Strange how phantasy economics are what suits your case.

Not much to be cheerful for at the moment jimmy b. :-((

They are all the same Fred. :-))

Am I getting this right ?, the Scottish independents say that a new Scottish referendum is inevitable if the UK votes to opt out ! : so all those that want Scottish independence will vote to leave Europe perhaps, and then when we are out of Europe the Scots will have a referendum about remaining in the UK....and then when Scotland have left the UK : they will rejoin Europe and the Euro by the backdoor......have to admire Sturgeon and this what seems if not fishy: a dastardly cunning plan....not even Blackadder could have thought that one up !....

Works for the outs though rf.

Double whammy, us out of €uropa, and the jocks out of the taxpayers pocket :-)

Scotland would have to renegotiate with Brussels, and Brussels would put the exact same conditions that Greece is going through..

Sturgeon was being questioned on the Sunday Politics, and when questioned on this subject, sturgeon got all evasive and rattled.

playing golf today .....
i am tending for out as already posted; 1 x in but without enthusiasm; 1 x out; 1 x undecided but tending towards out


meanwhile, i note fred will blame GO for the collapsing of world economies

Daily Mail -

German voters' damning verdict on open-door migration: Angela Merkel is punished in crucial state elections as far-Right party wins big vote with call to stop flow of refugees

It was a good idea, I mean, what could possibly go wrong?


Snag: Merkel is leading negotiations with Turkey for free access.

ask bambi, for on his watch 2.3m refugees/immigrants came into uk

Do you mean Cameron?

Max.

Be careful what you seem to be wishing for.

A fragmented Europe and its consequences are about the last thing I would hope for

A collapse of the EU will leave minefields and might even rock NATO, which might please Putin no end.

USA wants out, other than for trade.

the eu is in trouble whether uk stays in or not

as i wrote earlier, uk pulling out might just shake the eu legislators out of their smugness and concentrate their little brains on the major reforms that are required
i don't hold out much hope

Boris Johnson: Americans would never accept EU restrictions – so why should we?

Barack Obama's plan to urge voters to remain in the European Union is a 'piece of outrageous and exorbitant hypocrisy', Boris Johnson writes



By Boris Johnson

6:49AM GMT 14 Mar 2016


I love America. I believe in the American dream. Indeed, I hold that the story of the past 100 years has been very largely about how America rose to global greatness – and how America has helped to preserve and expand democracy around the world. In two global conflicts, and throughout the Cold War, the United States has fought for the founding ideals of the republic: that government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth.

So it is on the face of it a bit peculiar that US government officials should believe that Britain must remain within the EU – a system in which democracy is increasingly undermined.

Some time in the next couple of months we are told that President Obama himself is going to arrive in this country, like some deus ex machina, to pronounce on the matter. Air Force One will touch down; a lectern with the presidential seal will be erected. The British people will be told to be good to themselves, to do the right thing. We will be informed by our most important ally that it is in our interests to stay in the EU, no matter how flawed we may feel that organisation to be. Never mind the loss of sovereignty; never mind the expense and the bureaucracy and the uncontrolled immigration.


"There is no country in the world that defends its own sovereignty with such hysterical vigilance as the United States of America"



The rest of the article is here:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12192893/Americans-would-never-accept-EU-restrictions-so-why-should-we.html

I don't trust Barry any more.

Interesting read!

http://www.iii.co.uk/news-opinion/reuters/news/302007

And


Worth a quick read.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-commonwealth-idUKKCN0WH07Q?feedType=nl&feedName=ukmorningdigest

Merkel the maniac on her way out .
Merkel still won't listen to the German people.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ca52b21a-e940-11e5-888e-2eadd5fbc4a4.html#axzz42xcjZDVP

Neil Kinnock was on TV last night wandering around Wales talking to the public who all said they would vote out .Now Wales receives more investment than the rest of the UK and yet they still wanted out.
He seemed surprised.
Kinnock mind you has a plum job to protect in the EU ,another politician just thinking of himself .

good postings fred, but as usual, each side speaks with a certainty that is not based on actuality - it's all guesswork and propaganda

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just to cherry-pick from that iii article ......

it comments that, in the event of an "out" vote, india would want "more of its skilled workers" to have preferential immigrant status
i don't see that as any problem at all
the major gripe is the flood of unskilled workers




and finally
"Commercial imperatives are very powerful, much more powerful than politicians," William Dartmouth, deputy chairman of the UK Independence Party (UKIP), said.

exactly so!

Fred1, I don't know if you're aware but that article in your link post 225, and the opinion of that Ex - EU trade chief?...

But anyone who has worked for the EU and now receives a pension, then if they criticise the Brussels project then their pensions could be taken away...Same as Kinnock and the rest of the Europhile ex workers..

i'ld strongly question the actuality, never mind the legality of withdrawing someone's pension on the basis that they have criticised the eu regime