me gold .... buy 200,000 each of vti, fwy ,baa,kenmore,and aqp

ok moonblue you can change your selection if you want before sunday. good luck.
:-)

a moneyam competitor

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hey money bags hows the euor short

kenmore? not sure what stock this is moonblue.

Does anybody know where I can find a chart of the S&P overnight fair value futures traded on Globex. Cheers.

Kenmare KMR

its ok moon thanks to hooch coochy mainly. still 25p in total. was i think 70 up today I like them retrns %wise. If i was a good trader then i'd have banked today..however if it is a bounce in a bigger downtrend then i don't trust myself to get in atthe correct time, miss it or stop out. so tho its boring..leaving it for the timebeing.

Team Group 6: The Bucket Shop Team 6/1 Funds Available 0.09 Position 8
Stock Name Buy @ p Sell @ p Holdings Invested Current value Prof / loss
1 Virotec International NPV 27.5 25 727274 200,000.35 181,818.50 -18,181.85
2 Fayrewood 138 136 144927 199,999.26 197,100.72 -2,898.54
3 BAA 560 560 35714 199,998.40 199,998.40 0.00
4 Aquarius Platinum 228 232 87720 200,001.60 203,510.40 3,508.80
5 Kenmare Resources 16.5 15.5 1212123 200,000.30 187,879.07 -12,121.23
6 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00
7 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00
8 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00
9 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00
10 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00
Total Invested= 999,999.91 Total prof/loss -29,692.82
Team Players: moregas TC, mick p, hijeff, dickster, moonblue, Banked Funds 1,000,000.00
hedge66, kevinmcm, ps499 Team Worth 970,307.18

vti worries me

moonie - have you given up on the threads?

well sort of choc..its not got much intrest has it

Well I've been following it!
It'd be a shame if you stop, moonie - you put a lot of effort into it. People are away too, y'know.

yeh i know but all things must pass

Sometimes the only way to win is to surrender

Hmm - I s'pose there is logic - but to whom?
At least you weren't getting any aggro here?

no im not but i dont trade shares or indicies just forex..
and i dont have time to post on those as it moves very fast..so im left with the question ...whats the point?

Dear Subscriber,

With just 12 weeks between now and the presidential election, sifting through the political spin to figure out what's really going on in the economy is going to be tougher by the day.

Politicians will point fingers for bad numbers and take credit for good ones.

Their economic experts will invent new theories, omit facts, and ignore the obvious.

Even so-called "objective" analysts will often have a hidden agenda.

Last night, for example, one political commentator posing as "independent and unbiased" was actually pushing a pro-Kerry agenda. Another was obviously pro-Bush. Their acrobatics to twist the facts about the economy were so swift it made my head spin.

In the heat of the debate, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans seem to see what's really going on.

Neither has recognized that they are fellow passengers on a single vessel, driven by undercurrents that are now beyond their control ..


Undercurrent #1
The greatest consumer
squeeze in half a century!

Consider the plight of most American families right now:

* They have already spent their tax-cut money ...

* They can't borrow any more on their homes ...

* Their prospects for new jobs are grim; and for higher paying jobs, even grimmer ...

* They're dishing out up to $50 per week just to fill up a single tank of gas; and ..

* They're swimming in debt.

So they're beginning to cut back, throttling down the single largest engine driving the economic recovery.

Important: This consumer squeeze didn't begin under Bush. Nor is it going to be resolved simply by a change of the guard. The squeeze is the natural consequence of a multi-decade borrowing-and-spending binge that has finally reached a dead end.


Undercurrent #2
The greatest investor
disappointment in decades!

Ever since the stock market hit rock bottom in late 2002, investors have harbored fervent hopes for a full recovery back to the market's all-time highs or beyond. But now, nearly one year and ten months later, it looks like those hopes are being dashed.

The Dow Jones Industrials dove decisively below 10,000 on Thursday, busted to brand new lows for the year on Friday, and kept on falling right up until the closing bell.

The S&P 500 and the Nasdaq Composite fell even more sharply, and both are now trading at around the same level as they did in early 1998!

In other words, if you had bought the average S&P or Nasdaq stock in the first months of 1998, and you had held on faithfully to your shares for more than six long years, all you'd have to show for your patience right now is a big fat zero.

But you'd be among the lucky ones: Investors who bought the average S&P stock in early 2000 are now down to about 66 cents on the dollar; and those who bought the average Nasdaq stocks are down to a meager 33 cents on the dollar, despite the long market rise of 2003.

Historians of the future will debate endlessly whether the first half of the decade brought us two bear markets separated by a one-year bull ... or one single bear market interrupted by a one-year rally.

But that's of little significance right now. In this political season, the key point to recognize is that the market's malaise did not originate in the current administration. Nor will it be easily overcome by the next. It is the natural outcome of speculative excesses that have been piling up for many years and have yet to be unraveled.


Undercurrent #3
No more trump cards!

The last time the market and the economy were beginning to sink like this, President Bush still had two trump cards tax cuts and rate cuts. He played them both. And he rescued the economy from the jaws of disaster.

But now the recovery cycle is ending, and there's little or nothing the government can do about it:

* No matter how weak the economy may be the Fed is committed to raising short-term interest rates not lowering them. Tomorrow, they're going to hike the Fed Funds rate to 1.5% ... and by early next year, they'll probably jack it up to 2% or more.

* No matter which party controls Congress, the bulging federal budget deficit makes more tax cuts politically impossible.

* And regardless of who wins the White House, there are no more trump cards.

If Bush wins, he will likely pursue a similar economic agenda, with little or nothing that is substantially new enough to encourage investors. And if Kerry wins, he will likely restore some portion of the dividend taxes or capital gains taxes, spooking stock investors even more.


Undercurrent #4
Inflation

Just because the economy is weakening doesn't necessarily mean inflation is receding. Quite to the contrary, the single most powerful driver of price inflation oil and energy is still surging.

And if you think the political spin on other economic numbers is bad, wait till you see the spin on inflation.

* Economists pooh-pooh energy price hikes simply by relegating it to a category of items which are not part of the "core" inflation.

* Both political candidates are virtually silent on the subject.

* And even Federal Reserve Chairman Greenspan has been busily trying to convince the world that inflation is not a concern.

The reality: Consumer price inflation this year is still running at an annual rate of between 4 and 5 percent, or up to FOUR times higher than the current level of short-term interest rates. This has multiple implications ...

First, it means that inflation is bound to continue. That's almost invariably what happens when interest rates are far lower than inflation.

Second, interest rates are bound to rise further despite the weakening economy. Indeed, it's not until interest rates catch up with inflation and even exceed it that you're likely to see inflation tamed and interest rates recede significantly.

Third, the dollar is bound to resume its decline. Foreign investors are already looking for the nearest exit door.

Fourth, investments that are driven higher by inflation gold, energy and natural resources should continue to rise.

But no matter what the final outcome, clearly, the battle against price instability either deflation or inflation did not begin under Bush. Nor will it end in the next four years. It is the culmination of decades of money and credit excesses that are just now coming to a head.

Date 19/8/2004 Source AFX-UK Related Stories N/A
Time 17:32





CHICAGO (AFX) -- An already weaker dollar fell in response to a reported
slowdown in the factory-sector expansion for the Philadelphia area. The Philly
Fed's activity index fell to 28.5 in August from 36.1 in July. Despite the
decline, this is the fifteenth month in a row the index has been above zero,
which indicates overall economic expansion, if at a slower rate. Economists were
expecting the index to slip to 31.7 in August. Both the bond and currency
markets were braced for an even lower reading, analysts said. The dollar was up
0.3 percent on the day against the euro, with the euro quoted at $1.2359 in
recent trading. It briefly reached $1.2364 just after the report. The greenback
was off 0.1 percent against the Japanese yen, at 109.32 yen per dollar.
This story was supplied by CBSMarketWatch. For further information see
www.cbsmarketwatch.com.

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