bosley
- 20 Feb 2004 09:34
hewittalan6
- 12 Oct 2006 16:46
- 21365 of 27111
Bin finking.
Shares traded today are worthless for the purposes of buying the open offer.. Shares on the book on 1st November, will suddenly represent only 34% of the value they did on the 31st October.
That means that anyone buying in today is paying (eg) 1p for a share that they wouldn't touch a fortnight ago at 0.9p, in the full knowledge that without SP movements it will be worth 0.34p in 3 weeks time, or that the SP has to rise, in effect, by 66% to break even.
Either my maths is stranger than a very strange thing, or I don't understand a word of what I am saying, or people are suddenly very confident.
On reflection I probably haven't got a clue.
Alan
boldtrader
- 12 Oct 2006 16:54
- 21367 of 27111
Are you Feeling lucky?!!! In since 2001 and staying in,I would say you're quite a big player Tony, I'm small by comparison but will still be quite well off if SEO ever did hit a Quid!! Good luck to all, cheers.
robinhood
- 12 Oct 2006 17:00
- 21368 of 27111
Reckon the forthcoming dilution has already been factored in hence the drop over the past few weeks to current lvls
ssanebs
- 12 Oct 2006 17:24
- 21369 of 27111
in
greekman
- 12 Oct 2006 17:26
- 21370 of 27111
The dilution has been factored in, that is obvious. How can it not have been when everyone knows about the placing, offer.
bosley
- 12 Oct 2006 17:27
- 21371 of 27111
garyble, instead of holding all your shares, why not sell the same number as your entitlement then buy them back at 0.8p? you'll still have a million and a bit of cash.
Paperbackwriter
- 12 Oct 2006 17:29
- 21372 of 27111
I'm definitely IN.
This will be HUGE one day!
treikiman
- 12 Oct 2006 17:37
- 21373 of 27111
in
Tonyrelaxes
- 12 Oct 2006 17:45
- 21374 of 27111
Alan
Although your share "will suddenly represent only 34% of the value they did on the 31st October" you are overlooking that the Company will be 15million more valuable in terms of cash.
Did you get my response to your maths question on Sunday? I am having trouble with my Email provider.
rmhyams
- 12 Oct 2006 17:54
- 21375 of 27111
I'm in, and have topped up on the back of what was said in the prospectus.
I believe that Sphere said no to Stanelco about licencing the Starpol IP to third parties because those third parties have to be given the resin composition secret in order for them to make the resin. Once someone knows the secret then the secret is likely to go out to the whole world. Any transgressor would face litigation which would be expensive and time consuming, but at the end of the day the secret is still out, and the commercial advantage is lost. Sphere probably have a lot more experience of the difficulting in keeping hold of IPRs than Stanelco, and made sure that Stanelco didn't make any mistakes regarding IPRs by their announcement. Also, in the long run I think it will be more financially beneficial for Biotec, or Stanelco with permission, to produce Starpol rather than to licence others to make it.
Also, if you look in the prospectus Stanelco have issued a promissory note for 5.317 million. If you then look at page 202 you will see that Biotec owe Sphere the same amount i.e Stanelco owe Biotec, who in turn owe Sphere. Moreover, under the use of net proceeds it states that approximately 5.6 million will be used to "ensure completion by either Biotec or Stanelco of at least two manufacturing facilities in the USA for the production of resin including Starpol material." When I complete something it usually means that I have started something!!
Moreover, I feel that Alan's last post should also go onto the research page. Nice one Alan.
Kind regards
Raymond
stockdog
- 12 Oct 2006 19:18
- 21376 of 27111
garyble - just emailed you
garyble
- 12 Oct 2006 20:12
- 21377 of 27111
SD,
Message received and reply sent.
ths
- 12 Oct 2006 20:55
- 21378 of 27111
Alan & Raymond,
Thanks for the interesting posts.
So Raymond i have concluded (perhaps in my slow way) that in topping up now and taking the 34% dilution hit you feel its not worth waiting until post dilution.
No matter what happens to SEO you have to hand it to them for keeping you thinking all the time
rmhyams
- 12 Oct 2006 21:09
- 21379 of 27111
ths
No I don't think it's wothwhile waiting until post dilution. I think that there is positive news coming. Having said that, in my worst case scenario of Sphere bidding to buy Stanelco there would be a premium to the sp at the time. So, I think that investing now is a relatively safe bet IMHO.
Kind regards
Raymond
ths
- 12 Oct 2006 21:18
- 21380 of 27111
Thanks Raymond
hewittalan6
- 12 Oct 2006 21:33
- 21381 of 27111
Got the post, thanks Tony.
Alan
halfamil
- 12 Oct 2006 21:57
- 21382 of 27111
in
hewittalan6
- 12 Oct 2006 22:06
- 21383 of 27111
Another run of the mill day for SEO.
As the SP rises we see some new ideas from SEO. Some of the rumours put on the board today include;
Kims post 21315 suggesting SEO are about to remake "The French Connection". The role of Popeye Doyle will be taken by Martin Wagner, but the famous car chase will be done in golf buggies to maintain the environmentally friendly stance of the company.
CNN made a report that SEO were exploring the packaging of new agers. If this gets the buggers down from trees where I'm trying to build a road then thats fine by me.
SEO launched a new product today. Biodegradable doorstops, cunningly disguised as prospectus. Made entirely from paper and recycled promises, they will break down very quickly. They will be taken to court though over their use of the slogan "soft, strong and very, very long".
Finally there is a rumour that R&D are working on something called "post dilution". This is a way of making millions of fence posts froma single concentrated tree by adding water.
We learned that CFD's are not a cup of tea, but a financial instrument, for losing money very quickly.
We learned much about our contributors to this hallowed thread.
Following yesterdays Napoleon complex over the French stuff, many posters showed their own particular complex.
Stockdog is auditioning for the part of Baldrick. Oblo fancies himself as Nostradamus, with his return to his predictions of a week ago. Meanwhile Ghengis has had enough of being so distant to our memories, he has modernised and started being Churchill (our darkest hour). Driver has told us he cannot be bothered wotking (much) but has pledged a fiver to the shareholders benevolent fund.
Oily has suggested that SPhere will be interested if SEO can get their USA stuff off the ground. Martin Wagner has read this and has instructed Howard White to try and contact wilbur and Orville wright. The R&D dept. are seeking a patent on biodegradable aircraft.
Finally Shares mag. has changed its stance on SEO again. Its been In, Out, In ,Out and is now recomending "shake it all about". They will perform it live at the EGM.
Finally, I have proven beyond doubt that 117% of posters on these boards do not understand percentages.
God alone knows what tomorrow may bring.
Alan