Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Horsemeat: Compass and Whitbread find horse DNA in products

Catering giant Compass Group and Whitbread, one of Britain's largest hotel chains, have found horse DNA in products sold as beef, it has emerged.

Horsemeat has also been found in cottage pies supplied to 47 schools in Lancashire - they have been withdrawn.

When you have a cut back in "Health Inspectors" by the government are you really surprised that private enterprise takes over and seizes the opportunity to make a "buck".

That's market forces.

Also, blaming the private "systems" for not patrolling the "fences" when that should be the responsible of government is hardly credible and trying to excuse one's own failings.

That is why the Health Inspection was initially evolved.

It just shows how naive Cameron and cronies are.

FRED - that's absolute garbage and well you know it ...... much as you wish otherwise, it is absolutely not the fault of uk gov't methods and measures nor its offices such as EHO or FSA ..... having dealt with EHO for many years at first hand, their primary concern is general cleanliness, in a fairly broad sense ..... it is not the EHO's job to send for lab check the content of XYZ product unless they have good reason to believe there is a health hazard - the inclusion of horsemeat in lasagne et al patently did not fall into such a category, even with the minute traces of bute allegedly and ultimately found therein.

the fault lies with the suppliers and to a slightly lesser extent with the supermarkets' own quality control checks ..... you have failed to mention that Morrisons have apparently no incidence of this meat adulteration, seemingly because their quality controls are stringent

finally, do you suppose that this aldulteration has only been going on since the last election? ..... get real, if you can! ...... by its extent across europe, it has clearly been going on for many years ...... and what did your bedmates in the labour party do?

sorry, but do i hear a deafening silence on that score?

I see the president likes bison

http://articles.aberdeennews.com/2013-01-18/farmforum/36422780_1_national-bison-association-beet-gene-intertribal-buffalo-council

cynic
Fred would blame the Conservatives for the weather, meteors, earthquakes, disease, cat flu, premature ejaculation, gravity, ingrowing toenails, asparagus wee, the smell of paint and anything else that he could think of.

asparagus wee ?

ah, but apparently 20% of the population are not affected by those alkaloids - i guess that excludes those who don't eat asparagus!

cynic - 15 Feb 2013 17:15 - 21486 of 21490

FRED - that's absolute garbage and well you know it

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That observation could apply to any comment Fred1new posts on this board, rarely has any individual written so much crap on so many occasions on so many different subjects whilst displaying an amazing lack of knowledge and impartiality when doing so.

i regularly or mostly disagree with what fred writes, but it does not per se make it crap (unlike MrT), though objective perception is often lacking

cynic - Think you might witness a different Mr. T when he returns. He is not having the best of times at the mo for obvious reasons. Fred is just Fred, he delights in posting crap with the sole intent of winding everybody up, done it for a few years now, pat on head lump of sugar, though he denies it he is just a left wing self opinionated gobshite. If either were to stop posting this thread would be boring.

yes, you're right about MrT .... i confess i had completely forgotten about his bro

He has been busy elsewhere!!!

with a little difficulty, zipp and velcro applied

The article does not mention that all the two year old's limbs were broken and that the killer beat the child's legs with an iron bar until they broke.


Two serving prisoners have appeared in court charged with murdering a convicted child killer, who died in jail after his neck was broken.

Gary David Smith, 47, and Lee William Newell, 44, are accused of killing Subhan Anwar, who was found dead by prison officers on Thursday evening.

The defendants are inmates at Long Lartin jail near Evesham in Worcestershire, where Anwar was serving a minimum of 23 years for murdering a two-year-old girl.

Smith and Newell appeared before Worcester Magistrates and were remanded in custody to appear at Worcester Crown Court on Tuesday February 19.

Following Anwar's death, the pair were arrested at the scene and taken into police custody. They were later charged.

A post-mortem found that Anwar's neck had been broken.

The 25-year-old prisoner was in jail for the torture and murder of his partner's daughter in 2009.

Two-year-old Sanam Navsarka suffered 107 injuries at his hands during weeks of torture.

Anwar's partner Zahbeena Navsarka was found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to nine years in jail.

Sentencing the couple in 2009, Judge Peter Thornton QC condemned their cruel and selfish treatment of Sanam and added that "humanity had let her down".

The pair, both from Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, tried to claim the little girl had stopped breathing after they left her alone in the bath for 10 minutes.

However, the child's hand prints and bloodstains were found inside cupboards at the couple's home in Huddersfield and at a former property in Batley, West Yorkshire.

Anwar also put Sanam in a tumble dryer, and dumped her in the bin as her mother looked on.

an extract below re Syria ..... how come "The West" always looks to be half a pitch behind the game every time?

Jabah al Haq (this is one of the jihaidst groups fighting alongside the "rebels") is led by a charismatic young cleric called Sheik Abu al Homan.
I was taken to a secret location where a school was being used as a court to adjudicate on the many problems caused by the war raging across the city.
It is a strict Sharia court and he is advised by clerics and lawyers. That said, his word is law.
He was quiet and pleasant and his organisation is doing what every Jihad organisation from the Taliban to Hamas and al Qaeda has done: they are providing law and order and they are feeding and providing medicine for the people.
It works every time.

Cynic and Hays.

I think Cameron and present Tory party leadership party need camp followers of your nature with of course the elegant aid of a cluck from Chuckles

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The need for government involvement in public health was recognised by government by introduction of the First Public Health Act 1848.

It was introduced against a back drop a social climate of laissez faire where little thought was given for healthy, cleanliness in person and housing or provision of food and sewerage systems etc..

For various reasons the Provisions or Acts were further evolved attempting to prevent the “adulteration” of “food” products.

The remark which I made :

“When you have a cut back in "Health Inspectors" by the government are you really surprised that private enterprise takes over and seizes the opportunity to make a "buck".”

Was made against the background of cuts in the “Public Health Departments”, over the last two years, with consequential reduction in staffing and levels of inspection etc.. Also, in the seemingly ill thought out wish by little reactionaries to a return to the laissez faire state with little thought to the consequences.

One of the reasons for State involvement simply and concisely put was to attempt to stop profiteering by “adulteration of food”.

The need for government involvement in public health was recognised by government by introduction of the First Public Health Act 1848.
It was introduced against a back drop a social climate of laissez faire where little thought was given for healthy, cleanliness in person and housing or provision of food and sewerage systems etc..

For various reasons the Provisions or Acts were further evolved attempting to prevent the “adulteration” of “food” products and into general health and safety aspects.

All members of the food chain providers have a responsibility for their products and at whichever stage they are at in that chain they are responsible for their actions.

If their actions are “fraudulent”, or “criminal” in anyway, then they should be apprehended and subjected to necessary legal proceedings.

But the state has the legal rights using the various public health “laws”, “regulations” and “processes” to inspect the various stages in the food chains.
The actions of this government are likely to reduce the “policing”, or close “inspection” of the food chain and is detrimental to society.

It is no use having regulations and laws without policing and checks being made.
Expecting, criminality to cease or fall without adequate observation and investigation as check is fool hardy. Reducing the ability to patrol, investigate and evaluate a difficult area is not a reason for attempting to do so. This is obvious by what has been demonstrated.

Now it seems Defra was informed earlier than it has been previously stated.
If the below is true then there seems to me to another tory minister running a ministry incompetently.

Horsemeat: 'Ministers Were Warned In 2011'

A Meat Hygiene Service manager claims he warned Defra drug residues could be getting into the food chain but was ignored.7:55am UK, Sunday 17 February 2013 Supermarkets have warned that consumers could pay the price for the scandal
Email Government ministers were warned in 2011 that horse meat was illegally entering the human food chain, it has been claimed.
John Young, a former manager at the Meat Hygiene Service, now part of the Food Standards Agency (FSA), told the Sunday Times he helped draft letter to the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) in April that year.


I think the actions of this government need close inspection and action.
Also, due to the international nature of the food chain in and out of the EU, and other “trading” areas, it is necessary to have the right cross border inspections and regulations.

Also, it is necessary to have a central judicial body to oversee that the necessary food “rules and regulations” are policed and applied.
That means strengthening those bodies not weakening them, as many little Englanders seem to wish.

This would seem to me to be common sense.
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PS. in my journeyman’s career I worked in Quality and Control lab of a multinational food producer and recognise some of the difficulties from the inside.

Also, I think both of you in company of Chuckles should dine out together, and as you seem to have tastes in common and enjoy together the effluent you frequently spew.

Ps.

Cynic.

As it seems to me, you have difficulties with concentration, I did attempt to be brief, but often your impulsive rebuttals appear to be made without you engaging any thought on your part.

edit

Double negative.

Skinny,

Is that better?

8-)