cynic
- 20 Oct 2007 12:12
rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.
for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ
for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance
spitfire43
- 01 Jul 2008 10:56
- 2197 of 21973
Typical I had June off from trading FTSE then started today during this bloodbath.......... I'm sure there will be big opportunities today, but am I brave enough to trade them ?
HARRYCAT
- 01 Jul 2008 14:16
- 2198 of 21973
DOW futures currently down 102. Gonna be another bad afternoon for U.K. stocks, on top of the already bad morning!
spitfire43
- 08 Jul 2008 16:58
- 2199 of 21973
only one trade today a short at 5443, lost 15 points, very frustrating had a power dip just as I came into close which would have been even. Ended up phoning close order at the close of play.
Falcothou
- 08 Jul 2008 17:48
- 2200 of 21973
One of the advantages of dow and ftse being worth less is that there is a lower margin requirement to trade them, just a thought
robertalexander
- 09 Jul 2008 16:40
- 2201 of 21973
having a bash spread betting went long on XTA and 'made' 650 [beginners luck] and will offest the 570 i 'lost' on the DJ index. anyone recommend a good comapny for when/if i decide to leave the demo circuit and try this for real.
i am still practising for the minute as this is basically gambling and i could lose all my brass[as opposed to holding worthless shares that may recover].
i am playing with stop losses as i believe whenever you set up a new a/c the companies almost always insist on limits[for your & their protection]. can anyone think of anything else to get to know whilst i am improving my proficiency.
Alex
cynic
- 09 Jul 2008 16:50
- 2202 of 21973
the indices always make an interesting dabble.
if you are only operating on demo, then try nymex futures, but you'ld be a brave man to do that with real money!
robertalexander
- 09 Jul 2008 17:09
- 2203 of 21973
Cynic,
I went long on FTSE this morning along with XTA and profitted but probably beginner's luck.
nymex futures. where will I find them? I am playing with commodities, exchange rates, indices as well as some shares.
I am operating demo mode on Trade fair[http://spreads.tradefair.com/public/] so only have very limited options to play with. They promise more on their live site but not going anywhere near it until I can demonstrate good discipline and a sound understanding of what I am doing.
Losing 'pretend money' wont get me killed by the wife: 'real money' on the other hand...
Alex
cynic
- 09 Jul 2008 17:31
- 2204 of 21973
nymex = US light crude - see IG Index
pericles
- 09 Jul 2008 17:34
- 2205 of 21973
Hi Robertalexander, I used Signal Watch several years back, they send emails with an audible signal when the Dow is on a trade point,how did I do as a beginner? After a couple of months I thought the system was not for me as I was getting the signal from the us after the spreadbet prices based on futures had moved, even galloped, away from me.Anyway have a lookit may have improved by now: http://www.signalwatch.com//markets/markets-dow.asp . re spread bets ,I saw that IGIndex ithink it was, were doing trailing stops, this wd have been a big advantage in reducing my Dow losses I think!! anyway good luck ,post up on the trailing stops please if you choose that. Ps very choppy just now!!
spitfire43
- 09 Jul 2008 18:19
- 2206 of 21973
Good luck Robertalexander, it's good to have the SB option in todays market. I used to trade companies long and short but I was rubbish at it, I always seemed to call the direction well but my timing was off. I only trade FTSE now, not doing too badly at the moment, today wasn't great I ended up even after going long later in the afternoon.
But like you I had to back test the systems I use for FTSE, and now have paper records of intra day movement since December. (a bit sad I know)
Have just started experimenting with day trading using Pivot points, Resistance and support levels, it seems to work prettty well, the only problem is that I would need to be sat at my computer most of the day, the weather is too nice for that, so may start this one in the autumn.
robertalexander
- 10 Jul 2008 14:12
- 2207 of 21973
more beginners luck went short on SP500 index and woke to a '1005 profit' .
You can bet your bottom dollar that if it were real money it would be the other way.
Alex
spitfire43
- 10 Jul 2008 18:48
- 2208 of 21973
No trade today, I looked at 15:30 and my system indicated a short, but at 5395 I didn't fancy it. Should have trusted my instinct and gone long. Stil there is always tomorrow.
explosive
- 10 Jul 2008 20:45
- 2209 of 21973
Evening all, short position on the DOW now reversed going long. Still playing the yen 2 rolling bets selling. Yen very slow, funding costing more than movement at the moment..!! Whats everyone else into, missed Tanfield on the spread, equity +100% though so can't complain.
spitfire43
- 10 Jul 2008 22:50
- 2210 of 21973
only trading ftse now, so will look at markets in the morning, would guess we may have a small bounce tomorrow, so may favour going long. We seem to be riding a rollercoaster at the moment, let the force be with us.
cynic
- 15 Jul 2008 16:25
- 2211 of 21973
what a totally terrifying day with Dow plunging 200 in a second and now, quite remarkably, down less than 50 ....... wonder if it will actually end blue? ..... just possibly with nymex dropping $8.00 in a flash
robertalexander
- 15 Jul 2008 17:13
- 2212 of 21973
beginners luck still holding 'up' 2.5k+ in demo mode.
only two costly plays [so far]
todays ventures: short on ftse late last night and sold this am, then went long this pm and just sold out after close for a two modest profits.
bummed out on XTA went long [in 3765 out 3710]after lunch and my stoploss kicked in
short on AL. this am [in 325 out 315 good timing/luck as SP went up after that]
currently am long on RBS, rolling over[in 165] and long on ITV[in 40.9], long wallst.[ in 11034 with a stoploss 10950] short on ftse [in 5198]
As I am in demo mode I can't pick certain shares but I would have been long on IEC and DNX if I could.[dont they all say that after the fact, though I am sure i have it on one BB window previously re: long on DNX]
may go long on XTA and RIO tomorrow but will see what I think about the market in the morning.
bon chance to all players[especially those brave enough to play with real money]
Alex
cynic
- 15 Jul 2008 17:16
- 2213 of 21973
easy with demo isn't it - lol! ...... Dow plunges 200 and you can just shrug your shoulders and wait for the rebound
robertalexander
- 15 Jul 2008 17:22
- 2214 of 21973
Cynic,
In fairness I am playing with sensible stakes and stoplosses as if it were real money as I hope, if I can maintain the 'luck', to eventually play with real money.
:)
Alex
robertalexander
- 15 Jul 2008 17:35
- 2215 of 21973
have spotted a flaw in my logical plan ...long wallst.[ in 11034 with a stoploss 10950] short on ftse [in 5198]
these two move reciprocally and so one must lose money so closed out wallst for 11032 for 8 loss] though as it stands ftse is currently 60 down]
is my beginner's luck beginning to wear off :(
Alex
TheVoid
- 15 Jul 2008 18:16
- 2216 of 21973
SEC to Outlaw Naked Short Selling and Prosecute Traders who spread false rumours - this might make a difference in the way shorters operate
SEC To Outlaw Naked Short Selling