Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

so VOTE then .... i don't remotely agrere with your last statement (i think it's total nonsense) and i might disagree with your general political stance (you don't really have one), but that does not mean i would not press you to VOTE

Shan't!

8-)

I wish the government was a bit more 'extreme' as you put it. A clear Conservative majority would enable some better policies. I would worry a lot more about Labour extreme ideas.

Hays,

Interesting.


I think this government has cocked up so many policies that they haven't got time to remedy them before the next election.

Also, there will not be enough cash left in the kitty to bribe the public, which they have done in the past.

The cost of university education, the inability of graduates to pay off their debts and buy houses etc., the probable costs involved with health care, “social services”, “local services” and to insure against private care, etc. will come home to "Middle England".

As well as the above, many other problems created by a still failing, or staggering economy due to inappropriate cuts in some areas and too late an investment in "infrastructure" will become more obvious.

At the moment, my fears are, at the next election there will be a Labour government with too large majority will be followed by an immoderate backlash as a response to many of the stupid and immoderate cuts and policies that they see the this tory led government has introduced.

I would prefer another coalition government, but this time of Lib/Lab and at the moment expect that to occur. (The electorate may be more generous to Lib/Dems than many have expected and may be seen as buffers to the tory extremists.)

Many hoped in the 1980's with the formation of the SDP and later amalgamation of that group with the Liberal party that it would lead to more moderate inclusive centralist party. It failed to materialise due to the egos of certain politicians and tribal allegiances at that time.

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Interesting to watch.

fred - for once, i agree with most of what you have written .... however, it has certainly been generally accepted, even by the labour party, that when they were kicked out of power, the coffers were worse than empty ..... nevertheless, i think i am right in saying, that the present crew's claim to be reducing the deficit (or along those lines) is being more than economic with the truth; the deficit is just growing at a slower rate.

for all that, the eurozone has been and remains such an unmitigated disaster, that continuing economic problems for uk have been unavoidable .... would they have been less had the purse strings been loosened? ..... short-term maybe, but in my fairly non-partisan opinion, at the cost of much worse a little down the line

cynic if you want a bit on the side the polish girls are sluts go down to your local weathspoons full of them after a free meal fact not fiction .
opened my eyes the local lads having afield day .

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the problem is they smell a little they dont like water

I have a idea i will send them to the car washers

The choice between Labour and Conservative is an ideological one.

The Labour has social care and what follows from it as a central tenet. This is central irrespective of the country's ability to pay for it. Social care is a bottomless pit. All governments have to make a choice about how far you go. If it doesn't then it is irresponsible. The problem with Labour is that the level it has set for social care is beyond what we can afford. What does it do then. It could set a safer level for the economy. It generally takes one of two other choices. The favourite is to increases various taxes to fund its projects. As more projects are dreamt up so taxes rise. There comes a point when damage is being done to the economy and the public are rebelling. Labour then switches to an alternate strategy. They start borrowing and more borrowing. The country gets in a mess and they lose the election.

The conservative strategy is to set social care at a level that we can afford. They try and run the economy in a manner that encourages business. A fact that Labour dislikes is that ALL wealth, taxes and prosperity originates from business. Business proves taxes, employment producing more taxes, goods and services making more taxes. The more successful businesses and individuals are, the more revenue the country gets to spend on NHS, social care etc.

I have no hesitation going with the second scenario. The natural development of Labour's activities is socialism leading to communism. Success and wealth are not aspirations supported by Labour.

funny that, as english (and welsh) girls abroad have a much worse reputation, many smelling of puke having got totally legless


stop being such an ass ..... but that's rather like telling a donkey not to be an ass

You two not talking of experience are you? -):

for better or worse, i'm afraid not :-)

skin you do notneed any bait to hook CYNIC the plonker

Fred, you have over estimated your abilities in once again!

"The conservative strategy is to set social care at a level that we can afford."

Let us reword that statement to :-

The conservative strategy is to set social care at a level they wish to afford for others, but availing themselves of better care based on the past or present productivity of others.

One of the features of past tory periods even based to some degree on ideology is that they were pragmatic and forward thinking and realised that the good of a nation depended on the good of all members of that nation.

The other points you make have some relevance but the inferences you make are outmoded, or outdated and need to be modified for the more complex organisation of a present day society, which is not prepared to be dependent on the benevolence of those think themselves to be their betters.

Sit back and imagine starting a small company, or business and the different pathway to increasing it size (success).

Think about some of the most successful companies have done it.

Look at Cadbury’s (Taken over) or perhaps Unilever as models for making profits and distribution of those profits.

Think outside your box.


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T,

Suggest wash before you contaminate others.

You are thinking is at the same level as Hays does.

Hays,

I don't think you will, I will try listening to Neil Diamond singing "Slow it Down";

Might mean something to you:


Pick it up. Hurry up son. Eat on the run if you wanna get done.
Greed, speed, where does it lead you?
Wanna succeed? You thinking you need to?
But are you really sure?

It's a lot to endure, but I got me a cure.
Slow it down! Slow it down, yea.
Slow it down.
Take your time and you'll find your time has a meaning.
Easy now.
Catch those sounds of your heartbeat before it's leaving.

Another lyric, which I doubt you will comprehend:

"Home before dark
Before the day deserts me
I looked for my truth
Knowing the truth might hurt me
Been traveling light
Just ahead of the night
To be getting home right
Before dark"