Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hays,

My names not Fred either.

Watchdog contradicts Cameron on impact of austerity on growth


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David Cameron has become involved in a dispute with the Office for Budget Responsibility about the impact of austerity measures on economic growth.

In a speech on the economy on Thursday, the prime minister said the independent watchdog had made it "absolutely clear" that spending cuts and tax rises were not responsible for the weak economy.

But the OBR said it had been arguing for years that this was an issue.

Labour said it was an "embarrassing rebuke" for the prime minister."

Mr Cable called for pensioners' benefits such as the winter fuel allowance, free TV licences and travel passes to be taxed.

He repeated his call for more capital spending and said crucial sectors of the economy such as construction needed support.

"We have done very brave things in the first spending round, but we have now got to the point where further significant cuts will do enormous damage to the things that really do matter like science, skills, innovation and universities," he said.

(I wonder how many medium and high rate tax payers use their bus passes and how removing them, will effect and cost the city malls and the local economies.)

Exactly, Cameron said that cuts were not responsible for the weak economy. The OBR agreed and said it was just an issue and the real causes were other things. It is a question of semantics. Vince should not be taken seriously. He is just a loose canon trying badly to build up his status in the Libs. As far as Labour are concerned, their response was expected. Even the public in surveys, do not trust Labour with the economy. I am afraid that you will just have to accept that the current policies will continue.

Hays and Cynic,

Lying, or lies in this case. Conning, or deluding himself and attempting to con the public, who are more and more scornful.

Hays, put your John Bull uniform on and parade down the main street of your town or village with a placard stating:

"I am voting for Cameron, at the next election. Please donate to the Con Party's coffers. (trough)"

and note the response.


Even Aschroft seems to have given up on you!

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Cameron and Osborne’s attempts at shallow and populist propaganda and policies are beginning to lose their appeal to their previous adherents, but are still clung on to by a smaller and smaller body of prejudiced little Englanders’. Their previous supporters are melting away, as they realise the present tory social ideology and policies are directly deleterious to them, their children, members of their families and their communities.

The more verbal educated middle class are rejecting their “right wing” policies.
Cameron is ducking his real “responsibilities” to the country as a whole, in a feeble attempt to hold “his party” together and himself in “power”, while behaving much as a eunuch without a future


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Both have good weekends.

You are deluded. You must read some pretty left wing press to have the views you espouse. There is no evidence that Cameron is unpopular with his party or the middle classes.


At least Cameron was voted for by his party's MPs. The Labour MPs voted for David Miliband and the union block vote trumped them and they got Ed Miliband. The MPs didn't want him and the public didn't want him, but the union wanted him. What kind of democracy is that? Ed Miliband is just a union puppet.

This says it all.

Devaluation, lower productivity, lower exports, more working shorter weeks. More Bullsh.. More!!!!!

Cameron's success abroad devaluation of UK influence in international politics (economic policies). He is a laughing stock in Europe with his blustering for his right wing at home, (for the r.winged tory lunatics), and posturing and arrogance and lack of clarity on other than to "protect the bankers and his mates". Wishy, washy appeals for student immigration from India, which went down a bomb. (Maggie of the 80s-90s on university financing, springs to mind.)

He would make a poor carpet bagger, he will have to sells his bags.

On a lighter note:



Vince says that the liberals are not going to be driven by the R/wing of the tory party.


Wait and watch!

It is no surprise that you get you pics from the Guardian. There are other real newspapers apart from that left being comic.

if fred believes even half of the stuff he writes (confess i can't be botherered to read 85% of it), and actually VOTED for those beliefs, then he might have some credibility .... as it is, he is no better than any other worthless armchair critic - lots of whine; no spine

Freddie go to the doc, you have a serious problem. I don't know whats the matter with you, nor I doubt the doc. :-))

Dreams,

You seem to be similar to many of those in the wards of the Asylums who believe that the rest of the world is mad.


Try checking around you and asking the electorate (people around you), what they think and believe about the present tories bully boys in charge of government.

Also, even if it is difficult for you, listen to the answers.

Some say that madness is, when one doesn't believe in common reality. Check your beliefs.

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Cynic, with your waning concentration and addled mind, I would be surprised if you could comprehend any opinion, or argument differing from your obvious indoctrination.

I suppose the mantras pushed by your party have a ring for you and accords with your own internal bellum.


The form of democracy you seem to advocate seems to depend on conforming to the opinions, or ill-thought-out ideas of an elitist minority.

I am surprised that you even consider that others should be allowed to vote for any party other than your own.

Your next hope maybe the formation of a tory thiefdom.

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What utter drivel. You are sounding more like a card carrying member of the loony left every day.

Have to think about joining one of the more moderate parties.

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But, I would think it would be better than being a member of an elitist fascist party, creating local thiefdoms.

Nowadays, do you have to stand up and sing "row, row the boat ashore, before it sinks" at tory get togethers?

Well it's Saturday night and I ain't got no nobody SPRINGS TO Mind. I've got my money and just been paid - how is that!!!!

fred's rantings are sounding more and more like MrT's - but of course MrT does and will vote for the party he thinks "least worst", while fred will continue to sit on his arse in his middle class luxury, merely sounding-off like a third-rate jimmy maxton

Cynic,

T. was converted from the tory party and rants he joined UKIP.

They may have a place for you and Hays.

Row, row or pedal together!

Good speech by next leader of the Nasty Party, Cruella May.

Should go down a bomb in the shires.



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Sums up a coalition cabinet meeting.

at least both Hays and myself VOTE, rather than sit on our bourgeois arses like you ..... as it happens, I can't see myself ever voting for UKIP as it looks to be rather a single policy party, but assuredly if we have a referendum as promised, then I shall be paying close attention to both arguments and shall then VOTE as I think best ..... assuredly I shall not sit on a sofa, like you, whingeing and whining about how hopeless the present incumbents are handling the Augean mess that they inherited ..... have the present crew done well? .... for sure they have reacted too slowly in some instances, and perhaps not been incisive enough in others, or perhaps should even have chosen different routes (of unprovable effectiveness), but it is equally indisputable (apart from by the likes of you), that many things have been done right, notwithstanding the unavoidable disasters that the Eurozone keeps throwing into the mix.

OH, I thought all the UK's problems were down to the government.

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Shocking enlightenment.

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Have to get out of the EU and then things will get better.

The Bully boys will be considered more, when they are outside the fences.

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