Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

it is very convenient to forget that this was armed conflict
the argentinians were clearly not surrendering and the belgrano left untouched, would have remained a potential threat


how much a year/month/week does the "defence" of "Falkland Isles" cost? .... and what is the relevance of that piece of crap? ....


Should have read the dossiers and formed his own "opinion". .... relating to ADS i assume ..... i am almost certain that the dossiers were not open for scrutiny, or at least, only those that had been doctored to suit by bambi and his henchmen

IDS, had meetings, discussions and talks before parliament' s decision and said he supported the actions being taken.

Granted he is easy to dupe. But mind you, he was elected by the tories to be their leader. (Best of a b. lot. 8-))

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I thought it would have been more sensible to negotiate before the Argentinian invasion a new treaty.

I thought the Argentinians had some reasons in their position, but not their actions.

My reasoning was based on the costs to the ongoing costs UK and the fact we were not an ongoing military power. Ie. punching above our weight.


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Have a look at the cost of vanity

"Renewed conflict in the Falkland Islands could cost the UK more than just international sympathy.

Over at the Independent, Andy McSmith takes a look at the financial cost of the UK's protection of the over 2,000 British citizens on the island (who have repeatedly confirmed they wish to remain British citizens and not become part of Argentina).

McSmith reports that the military in the area will cost the UK £61 million ($96 million) in 2012-13, which is expected to increase by £2 million ($3.14 million) each year.

While in the grandiose world of military budgets that might not be that much, when you look at the cost per British citizen on the Falklands, it works out at more than a whopping £20,000 or $31,000 (and that is only the defense budget, other costs will be born on other budgets).


Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-14/europe/31057552_1_defense-budget-uk-falklands#ixzz2NEYO0FnY

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Skinny,

Is that Moses parting of the murky waters.

(fos)fred speaks as the acronym "fos" indicates ..... as i have written before, he is just a 3rd rate armchair critic of anything and everything this (conservative) gov't does or has done, but on his own admission, wears his "refuse to vote" stance as a badge of honour ..... i guess appeasement has similar values

My reasoning was based on the costs ..... what a compelling bit of reasoning THAT is! ..... effectively, "bollocks to the rights and wrongs; it's just too expensive" ..... at least jimmy maxton was prepared to go to prison for his beliefs

It is worth defending the Falklands for the potential oil reserves.

but hays, it's just too expensive!! ...... and that the islanders want nothing to with argentina has nothing to do with it ..... and that argentina has said they aren't remotely interested in what the islanders want has nothing to do with it, etc etc

no no no .... MT really should have been more careful with the purse and kow-towed to others ..... i think WSC was given similar advice

Search of honours or applaud has never be forte.

Sometimes, prepared to keep my own counsel and review my opinions.

Also, as taught, prepared to go against the flow of the mob, if I believe the direction it was travelling was wrong.


Also as taught, learnt to be able to try and think inside and outside the box and not jump to conclusions, when there are problems to resolve.

You seem to prefer praying to fallen icons for solutions.

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Must go an attack a new recipe for bread.

May need it with the government.

though of course you have not answered the questions raised nor ever been known to actually stand up for your opinions - except as a 3rd-rate armchair critic

Manuel,

I am sorry for you that you don't understand the answers.

Must be something with your time span.

But do be quiet and bring me another beer!

8-)

Wash some pills down with your beer Freddie. :-))

Dreams,

You are getting quicker off the mark.

Often have done in the past, but now a reformed character.

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How are the splits going.

I suppose it is a case of thieves falling out!

Nothing wrong with me.

there has to be a siberian hamster joke to be squeezed out somehow/somewhere

Dreams.

You could used p22255 as your epitaph.

8-)

Falklands referendum: Voters choose to remain UK territory

The people of the Falkland Islands have voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining a UK overseas territory.

Of 1,517 votes cast in the two-day referendum - on a turnout of more than 90% - 1,513 were in favour, while just three votes were against.

It follows pressure from Argentina over its claims to the islands, 31 years after the Falklands War with the UK.

The UK government welcomed the result and urged "all countries" to accept it and respect the islanders' wishes.

The referendum had asked: "Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom?"

'Wish them success'
There was a turnout of more than 90% from 1,672 British citizens eligible to vote in a population of about 2,900.

At last, a politician talking sense.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9924577/Stop-wasting-millions-translating-leaflets-into-foreign-languages-Eric-Pickles-tells-councils.html

That must be a triumph for the Picklel.

And here is another bit of cheer:-


Pound falls on weak manufacturing data

January's drop in manufacturing output came after a rise the previous month

The pound has fallen against the dollar and the euro after official figures showed UK manufacturing output fell by 1.5% in January from the month before.

The drop came after a 0.9% rise in output in December, and has added to fears of a third recession since 2008.

The pound hit a new two-and-a-half-year low of $1.4832 against the US dollar. The euro also rose to a two week high versus the pound of 87.77 pence.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21753071


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But if you wish to see why, have a read of :

12 March 2013 Last updated at 00:02

Budget 2013: Radical options for the UK economy
By Laurence Knight

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20617088


It is a bit long for Cynic and Hays but ask your mates to help you on the big words.

i shall just wait to see what the budget brings rather than trying to pre-guess it - always something of a fruitless occupation

for sure the budget will make almost no one happy and many the reverse, but what do you expect in tough times?

i would hope to see stimulus for infrastructure building and the like, for which i would think there is a fairly good chance.

the mooted "mansion tax" will almost certainly prove to be a damp squib, other than for those who avoided stamp duty on expensive properties - imo, they will be rightly clobbered, though the revenue generated will be more cosmetic than anything serious

some sort of company withholding tax may also be imposed (they do that sort of thing all over the world) so that revenue (not profit) created in uk incurs a fair proportion of tax and is not just (legitimately) transferred elsewhere

One of the problems (rightly) this government has that it has little credibility with the public and business community.

They have no faith, or optimism with the present "austerity" policies, which due to haste and depth add to the fear of even deeper personal in business income prospects.

Whether it is now too late to pump money into the infrastructure and capital project, bye passing the banks or not I am not sure. But that has to be tried, with the tightening up of "fleeing" taxes and probably the Mansion tax. Also, would be useful to look at the "capital" and investments" of some of the Russian, Chinese and "Arab" immigrant communities. (Sound like Tanker.)

The latter may restore for the Cons, a little bit of belief in "We are all in it together".

Still think it will be a miracle if there is any real recovery benefits the overall public, but the market should go well.

Interesting to see the banks bunkering down, must be a little like No 10 and 11.

would be useful to look at the "capital" and investments" of some of the Russian, Chinese and "Arab" immigrant communities
not understood; please clarify



i also confess to being totally bewildered by all the air time suddenly being given to apprenticeships
i have long thought that apprenticeships should be readily available, and not only just for the "less academic" ......
however, it is a matter of very harsh fact that it's all very well for some chap(ess) to take a plumbing or mechanics course or similar, and then find it totally impossible to be taken on for the necessary field experience to allow final qualification, and of course to be able to show a good class of workmanship to any prospective client
while for sure many small (builder/decorator/garage) companies will be afraid of the competition an apprentice might ultimately bring, many/most just cannot afford the additional overhead ..... where's the financial incentive to get round this?