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LOL wish i had the spondies to buy more.Just didnt want anyone paying over the odds if they were thinking of a big buy.

Pete I didnt know you were a springier, hope your owners keep you on a short lead as we know what your are like when you run a muck.

Cant imagine many people on here having any money left for a big purchase.

Quin, I am just about to send you mail! 5 mins!

By the looks of things most people must be prefering to stay on the other site.

Just made a company look rather silly when they said there calling cards where far cheaper than CCR. Turns out we are only 100% cheaper......minimum, I did enjoy mailing them the information, with proof.

If you know who keeps on bashing, I think a few will pop over Pete. I think this forum service has a lot more to offer than the other anyway.

At the end of the day, the peace and quiet is nice!!!

There's not much going on over there either (had a peek lol)

Not much going on anywhere though.The market is dead.

Ok advan just gone to get some size 10 DMs and give any one a good kicking if they dont follow the rules

EVS down again today and sitting squarely on a support level.

A fall below this and faster falls should be expected.

Quin did you sort your website out m8?,..........thanks for the mail

pete Havent heard from any one at EVS yet but have registered a domain name, will let you know how things go.

Debs is sorting it as we speak..........I would imagine before the end of the day you will have your info.

2LB - with your industry knowledge do you have any up to date info on how the wholesale market is performing in terms of price competition, especially as you have previously mentioned foreign operators attempting to cut-in on the UK market?

Foreign operators are here already in large numbers. AT&T have substantial VoIP investments in UK and already operate a large network and provide IP telephony services to large companies. Primus tel have a large office in Westminster almost opposite the Houses of Parliamnet and they also operate a very large VoIP network. In fact Primus tel are probably the biggest wholesaler of IP telephony capacity in Europe. The operate cut price calling systems and calling card systems under subsidiary companies that are not obvious. MCI and several other major US carriers have a major presence here as well.

This market is getting very tight and operators like EVS will get heavily squezed.

The wholesale market is largely static regarding price - a number of IP based carriers have offerings out there but as yet they are not fully delivering on quality and connectivity.

Wholesale pricing actually doesn't vary that much - if you look at a global termination sheet from a large player today then it will look pretty similar to one from two years ago, there is only so low that you can go, the end consumers will not stand for quality below a certain threshold, despite how much they hunger for the "cheapest" rate.

There are some large European companies floating about at the moment trying to break into the wholesale supply sector but as yet I've seen nobody going stupid on pricing to try to gain big market share - it's an unsustainable model.

There have been certain posts regarding pressure on calling card margins and special offers on the end prodcuts - do not confuse this with pressure on the wholesale margins, there are seperate markets, the actual card sellers are essentially glorified market traders who for years have had the lions share of the margin, generally 40% in the UK and so all they have masses of room to battle with each other on special offers on the actual card - they don't impact on the actual rates and margins of the airtime suppliers. That confusion is often cited by individuals who simplt do not understand the supply chain and the margin share.

very interesting post LB, what is your honest take on Envesta regarding their 2 products?

1. Calling Cards
2. CCR

Wholesale carrier prices are falling but not falling that fast. The reason is that the major carriers are using their muscle to pick up international traffic at the cheap end of the market.

AT&T in the US is offering rates to its regular consumers as cheap as CCR are offering as a cut price supplier. That means that very soon the margin for companies like CCR will disappear almost overnight. The major carriers can keep the wholesale price up and undercut the cheap operators who then cannot get capacity cheap enough to run a business.

I can say hand on heart it is suprising how much we take women for granted. I am all but set for a week in the caravan. It has taken me 3 days to get everything ready, mind you it has been done with the minimal of fuss. However still a long time, too long. God knows how we will manage when she is away for 6 months.

Cheers 2LB nice sensible and informative post its a breath of fresh air thank you.