Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Fred hope you dont mind Ive re tweeted your excelent above post on twitter to my 2 threads which have 16,000 followers.

They should pass it on and expose the chancelor for what he really is, desperate out of touch and a weak little man who knows he and his sidekick Cameron face getting kicked out by their own party after the local elections.

golfinger is becoming as bizzare as Fred.

i think sticky must be suffering from SAD :-)

btw sticky, why have you dropped the attack against me re eating well on a % of the £56?
surely you haven't decided that i really
knew what i was talking about? :-)

Hays,

Osbornes' formative days seemed to be inveigled in his period as Bullingdon club members. His core values seem to be espoused by the values of that group, many of whom are in the present elitist government now, he has an ongoing disconnect with present society.

As describe by a tory MP, the cabinet is made up of "Posh Boys" and rants like his to-day are reinforcing the publics opinion of the present government.

It is laughable, when Osborne's drink bill for a week is probably more than unemployment benefit for somebody who has been made redundant or on basic pay gets for a month.

The same group, descry pensioners who may have worked honestly all their lives on survival incomes and live in "social" housing where they brought their kids up, now having to move out of their homes, because they can't afford the "bedroom tax".

Uprooting them from the social support and often families.

They are ill thought out, impractical policies which will come home to haunt the coalition at the next election.

I think it is right that they do. I only hope the next government of whatever blend will be more socially responsible and not rush into ill thought out actions without considering the consequences.

People wonder why the people are becoming "uncaring". When you look you can see that they emulated the Thatcher ethos and having that reinforced by the standards of the present government.

It is not what one has done that counts, but what one can get away with for oneself.

Cyners I used to think Nigel Lawson was a very decent chancelor. Come out with some rubbish of late mind but in his day was up their with the best.

you may be right; i don't recollect though good old Wiki will probably give a useful potted history and appraisal .... leon britton may have had a decent stab too

The size of Osborne's drink bill has no bearing on what people have on benefits. I would guess that there are many who's drink bill are even bigger. I don't think the government are uncaring. They are just trying to cut the benefit bill, which is one of the UK's biggest expenditures.

Skunk head .......whats his name ohh Lamont was useless imo.

GF. happy.

To be honest I am just challenging positions, but have no claim to purity.

I suppose my main irritation is the bloody hypocrisy and dishonesty of the con men in charge at present.

I have soem respect for the guy, who says that he himself is a bastard and acts like one, even though I may dislike him.

The "posh boys" probably have better brains than they sometimes appear to have. Why don't they use them for the overall good, rather than for themselves and those who have bought them.

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"...however, it is certain that philpott had worked out exactly how to milk the system for all it was worth .... shame he wasn't obligated to work that hard to find a job or lose (all) his benefits"



I think the same could be applied to the bankers, money lenders and tax avoiders hiding their "true" incomes abroad.

It would be nice to have a clean sheet and draw up the rules again.

B. difficult to do though.


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Rants over for to-day.

Off to make a lentil, bean and pork soup and a date and bread and butter pudding, as a peace offering for to-night "supper".

Latest stats and still going very strong on the I D Smithgate affair.......


Sign this petition

with 419,089 supporters

80,911 NEEDED

At this rate the 1 million will be collected to table a debate in parliament. ( wasnt set up for this but talk now of transfering this over)

Going to be some very embarrased Torries when this happens and wouldnt put it past all the libs and right wing torries to vote with Labour.

Thanks Fred appreciated. Already lost one dissaffected follower but at same time loads and lods re tweeting your 2 articles. CHEERS.

bankers are employed, and though you may not like the bonus system - it's a disgrace, but equally so in other large companies - it'll be related to what their contracts say

moneylenders - apart from the usurers like wonga, there doesn't seem to be much money being lent by anyone

tax avoiders - while there may be certain moral issues involved, if it's legal, then it's legal and it is up to the legislators to change the rules and/or for HMRC to look very closely to see whether legit avoidance has slipped into illegal evasion

The criticism of Philpott looks to be about right. He had worked out how to milk the benefits system and had no reason to find a job. The Job Centre could have insisted that he take various jobs over the years. Why didn't they?

The petition is nonsense as the guy in question has admitted that he gets £156 pounds a week plus working tax credit and housing benefit. Another example of the gullible public and gullible goldfinger.

I agree cyners for a change.

Tax avoidance and Tax evasion should become one.

Wheres all this money gone lost from the 2008 recession. It hasnt just evaporated. Its in offshore bank accounts hidden away.

My brother made a good point over the easter holidays and hes a right wing loony like you but he did say as above and more importantly that the rich Worldwide were getting richer and the middle getting poorer.

It has to be re-balanced.

I agree cyners for a change.

Tax avoidance and Tax evasion should become one.

Wheres all this money gone lost from the 2008 recession. It hasnt just evaporated. Its in offshore bank accounts hidden away.

My brother made a good point over the easter holidays and hes a right wing loony like you but he did say as above and more importantly that the rich Worldwide were getting richer and the middle getting poorer.

It has to be re-balanced.

Sorry to disappoint gold finger, but the rules for e-petitions are not as he thinks. The key figure Is 100,000. This figure just triggers consideration by the commons business committee. There then have to be a range of other factors before a debate can take place. If the subject of the debate is not regarded as suitable for debate then it won't take place. The IDS saga will not be debated.

Be glad when todays market closes.

Hope we get a strong bounce tomorrow but their is US non farm pay rolls with it being 1st week in month.

Wrong to link Philpott's crimes with the debate about welfare and Osborne should not be doing so @stephenctimms

http://bit.ly/17f3qTh

Tax avoidance and Tax evasion should become one. ..... not possible and certainly not fair either ..... at a most basic level, gifting money to your children (within certain limits) is tax avoidance as is putting money into a pension scheme

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reading the above, i'm sorry to see that you must be having a torrid day or two, but you can't call it correctly the whole time ..... confess i thought i had cocked up big time with my ftse and dow shorts, but the former most certainly proved otherwise, and the latter will, i think, pay divis in due course

however, i am very glad indeed that i had the sense to bank my last modest profit a couple of days back in C+M Index