Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

GF. happy.

To be honest I am just challenging positions, but have no claim to purity.

I suppose my main irritation is the bloody hypocrisy and dishonesty of the con men in charge at present.

I have soem respect for the guy, who says that he himself is a bastard and acts like one, even though I may dislike him.

The "posh boys" probably have better brains than they sometimes appear to have. Why don't they use them for the overall good, rather than for themselves and those who have bought them.

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"...however, it is certain that philpott had worked out exactly how to milk the system for all it was worth .... shame he wasn't obligated to work that hard to find a job or lose (all) his benefits"



I think the same could be applied to the bankers, money lenders and tax avoiders hiding their "true" incomes abroad.

It would be nice to have a clean sheet and draw up the rules again.

B. difficult to do though.


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Rants over for to-day.

Off to make a lentil, bean and pork soup and a date and bread and butter pudding, as a peace offering for to-night "supper".

Latest stats and still going very strong on the I D Smithgate affair.......


Sign this petition

with 419,089 supporters

80,911 NEEDED

At this rate the 1 million will be collected to table a debate in parliament. ( wasnt set up for this but talk now of transfering this over)

Going to be some very embarrased Torries when this happens and wouldnt put it past all the libs and right wing torries to vote with Labour.

Thanks Fred appreciated. Already lost one dissaffected follower but at same time loads and lods re tweeting your 2 articles. CHEERS.

bankers are employed, and though you may not like the bonus system - it's a disgrace, but equally so in other large companies - it'll be related to what their contracts say

moneylenders - apart from the usurers like wonga, there doesn't seem to be much money being lent by anyone

tax avoiders - while there may be certain moral issues involved, if it's legal, then it's legal and it is up to the legislators to change the rules and/or for HMRC to look very closely to see whether legit avoidance has slipped into illegal evasion

The criticism of Philpott looks to be about right. He had worked out how to milk the benefits system and had no reason to find a job. The Job Centre could have insisted that he take various jobs over the years. Why didn't they?

The petition is nonsense as the guy in question has admitted that he gets £156 pounds a week plus working tax credit and housing benefit. Another example of the gullible public and gullible goldfinger.

I agree cyners for a change.

Tax avoidance and Tax evasion should become one.

Wheres all this money gone lost from the 2008 recession. It hasnt just evaporated. Its in offshore bank accounts hidden away.

My brother made a good point over the easter holidays and hes a right wing loony like you but he did say as above and more importantly that the rich Worldwide were getting richer and the middle getting poorer.

It has to be re-balanced.

I agree cyners for a change.

Tax avoidance and Tax evasion should become one.

Wheres all this money gone lost from the 2008 recession. It hasnt just evaporated. Its in offshore bank accounts hidden away.

My brother made a good point over the easter holidays and hes a right wing loony like you but he did say as above and more importantly that the rich Worldwide were getting richer and the middle getting poorer.

It has to be re-balanced.

Sorry to disappoint gold finger, but the rules for e-petitions are not as he thinks. The key figure Is 100,000. This figure just triggers consideration by the commons business committee. There then have to be a range of other factors before a debate can take place. If the subject of the debate is not regarded as suitable for debate then it won't take place. The IDS saga will not be debated.

Be glad when todays market closes.

Hope we get a strong bounce tomorrow but their is US non farm pay rolls with it being 1st week in month.

Wrong to link Philpott's crimes with the debate about welfare and Osborne should not be doing so @stephenctimms

http://bit.ly/17f3qTh

Tax avoidance and Tax evasion should become one. ..... not possible and certainly not fair either ..... at a most basic level, gifting money to your children (within certain limits) is tax avoidance as is putting money into a pension scheme

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reading the above, i'm sorry to see that you must be having a torrid day or two, but you can't call it correctly the whole time ..... confess i thought i had cocked up big time with my ftse and dow shorts, but the former most certainly proved otherwise, and the latter will, i think, pay divis in due course

however, i am very glad indeed that i had the sense to bank my last modest profit a couple of days back in C+M Index

I think it is important to link the philpott case to benefits. He was able to live his strange lifestyle for one reason only, and that is the benefit systems. He got £8,000 for the kids alone.

Cynic you know Im not meaning at your most basic level.

Not having a torrid time at all, just supposed to be on hols all week and this market is too volatile to leave alone.

so you don't say what you mean or mean what you say but mean what you mean it to say! .... so now tell us what that is

Regards to tax evasion, my experience is that the authorities are not interested in tackling tax evasion and thereby recovering unpaid taxes such as VAT, employers tax & NI, from unscrupulous employers. Which is a pity (no it's criminal) for all those genuine hard up people affected by the austerity measures imposed on them.
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This is me,

Every word true!

The tax offices have been cut to the bone with staff levels. The workers have very low moral being told what to do. You try talking to a tax inspector, you can only get as far as a helpline that never knows the answer to your question. Inspectors will not talk to Accountants let alone the public. I would think there are not many staff to tackle tax evasion. With R.T.I (Real Time information) starting in April, which means an online submission has to be made for every pay period whether that be weekly, four weekly or monthly, rather than the present ''once a year '' return . The requirements go on and on. The tax office systems are a shambles (been told by accountants) This will keep them busy as the systems have been practice run by the big boy accountants and its a mess put politely.

don't entirely agree ..... add general incompetence, too many (expensive) offices none of whom talk to each when they should, and yes, you're quite right, it is almost impossible even for an accountant to talk to anyone in any authority and with any knowledge

there's plenty of similar in local gov't too

Honest, this is not a rant. But foods cooked and wife's out.


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Hays,

Engage your brain.

Philpotts could be described as a psychopath, a plausible liar, or a chancer. It seems to me that there are many of those in all the political parties of this country at the moment. The percentage seems to have increase with the recent intake to Parliament..

Philpotts’s appears to be a “psychopath”. Probably, his “psychopathy” was a product of his “predispositions” and the environment “upbringing” and whether there was a Welfare Benefit System operating, or not, he would probably ended outside the law. Perhaps, he might have become a successful business man, think of Robert Maxwell, or perhaps, your fellow traveller Murdoch.

There are problems with the welfare benefits, but the majority of the money which was obtained by Philpotts was paid for upkeep and care of the children. (Rightly, or wrongly.)
He got control of the money and may have abused that situation, but the money could hardly be paid into the hands of three year old children.

Even psychopaths in their own “charming” ways can be seen as adequate parents. Would you like to have a fascist state where the children can be removed from the parents and the parents subjugated to forced sterilisation?

There are many problems in the “Social” services and “Support” services and there is a need for system of management of “social” problems, but a blanket decision made on the back of obviously “aberrant” behaviour is not likely to be the correct one. Cutting back on financing without thought, is likely in some areas to lead to upturn in crime etc..


Hard cases can lead to the making of bad laws.

Osborne is being deceitful.