Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

bankers are employed, and though you may not like the bonus system - it's a disgrace, but equally so in other large companies - it'll be related to what their contracts say

moneylenders - apart from the usurers like wonga, there doesn't seem to be much money being lent by anyone

tax avoiders - while there may be certain moral issues involved, if it's legal, then it's legal and it is up to the legislators to change the rules and/or for HMRC to look very closely to see whether legit avoidance has slipped into illegal evasion

The criticism of Philpott looks to be about right. He had worked out how to milk the benefits system and had no reason to find a job. The Job Centre could have insisted that he take various jobs over the years. Why didn't they?

The petition is nonsense as the guy in question has admitted that he gets £156 pounds a week plus working tax credit and housing benefit. Another example of the gullible public and gullible goldfinger.

I agree cyners for a change.

Tax avoidance and Tax evasion should become one.

Wheres all this money gone lost from the 2008 recession. It hasnt just evaporated. Its in offshore bank accounts hidden away.

My brother made a good point over the easter holidays and hes a right wing loony like you but he did say as above and more importantly that the rich Worldwide were getting richer and the middle getting poorer.

It has to be re-balanced.

I agree cyners for a change.

Tax avoidance and Tax evasion should become one.

Wheres all this money gone lost from the 2008 recession. It hasnt just evaporated. Its in offshore bank accounts hidden away.

My brother made a good point over the easter holidays and hes a right wing loony like you but he did say as above and more importantly that the rich Worldwide were getting richer and the middle getting poorer.

It has to be re-balanced.

Sorry to disappoint gold finger, but the rules for e-petitions are not as he thinks. The key figure Is 100,000. This figure just triggers consideration by the commons business committee. There then have to be a range of other factors before a debate can take place. If the subject of the debate is not regarded as suitable for debate then it won't take place. The IDS saga will not be debated.

Be glad when todays market closes.

Hope we get a strong bounce tomorrow but their is US non farm pay rolls with it being 1st week in month.

Wrong to link Philpott's crimes with the debate about welfare and Osborne should not be doing so @stephenctimms

http://bit.ly/17f3qTh

Tax avoidance and Tax evasion should become one. ..... not possible and certainly not fair either ..... at a most basic level, gifting money to your children (within certain limits) is tax avoidance as is putting money into a pension scheme

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reading the above, i'm sorry to see that you must be having a torrid day or two, but you can't call it correctly the whole time ..... confess i thought i had cocked up big time with my ftse and dow shorts, but the former most certainly proved otherwise, and the latter will, i think, pay divis in due course

however, i am very glad indeed that i had the sense to bank my last modest profit a couple of days back in C+M Index

I think it is important to link the philpott case to benefits. He was able to live his strange lifestyle for one reason only, and that is the benefit systems. He got £8,000 for the kids alone.

Cynic you know Im not meaning at your most basic level.

Not having a torrid time at all, just supposed to be on hols all week and this market is too volatile to leave alone.

so you don't say what you mean or mean what you say but mean what you mean it to say! .... so now tell us what that is

Regards to tax evasion, my experience is that the authorities are not interested in tackling tax evasion and thereby recovering unpaid taxes such as VAT, employers tax & NI, from unscrupulous employers. Which is a pity (no it's criminal) for all those genuine hard up people affected by the austerity measures imposed on them.
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This is me,

Every word true!

The tax offices have been cut to the bone with staff levels. The workers have very low moral being told what to do. You try talking to a tax inspector, you can only get as far as a helpline that never knows the answer to your question. Inspectors will not talk to Accountants let alone the public. I would think there are not many staff to tackle tax evasion. With R.T.I (Real Time information) starting in April, which means an online submission has to be made for every pay period whether that be weekly, four weekly or monthly, rather than the present ''once a year '' return . The requirements go on and on. The tax office systems are a shambles (been told by accountants) This will keep them busy as the systems have been practice run by the big boy accountants and its a mess put politely.

don't entirely agree ..... add general incompetence, too many (expensive) offices none of whom talk to each when they should, and yes, you're quite right, it is almost impossible even for an accountant to talk to anyone in any authority and with any knowledge

there's plenty of similar in local gov't too

Honest, this is not a rant. But foods cooked and wife's out.


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Hays,

Engage your brain.

Philpotts could be described as a psychopath, a plausible liar, or a chancer. It seems to me that there are many of those in all the political parties of this country at the moment. The percentage seems to have increase with the recent intake to Parliament..

Philpotts’s appears to be a “psychopath”. Probably, his “psychopathy” was a product of his “predispositions” and the environment “upbringing” and whether there was a Welfare Benefit System operating, or not, he would probably ended outside the law. Perhaps, he might have become a successful business man, think of Robert Maxwell, or perhaps, your fellow traveller Murdoch.

There are problems with the welfare benefits, but the majority of the money which was obtained by Philpotts was paid for upkeep and care of the children. (Rightly, or wrongly.)
He got control of the money and may have abused that situation, but the money could hardly be paid into the hands of three year old children.

Even psychopaths in their own “charming” ways can be seen as adequate parents. Would you like to have a fascist state where the children can be removed from the parents and the parents subjugated to forced sterilisation?

There are many problems in the “Social” services and “Support” services and there is a need for system of management of “social” problems, but a blanket decision made on the back of obviously “aberrant” behaviour is not likely to be the correct one. Cutting back on financing without thought, is likely in some areas to lead to upturn in crime etc..


Hard cases can lead to the making of bad laws.

Osborne is being deceitful.

Agree cynic, the tax office has passed most of the work to accountants. They just process the Accounts/returns and I bet hardly looking at them to get the output sent out. What a world years ago a tax man could talk to you over the phone, they are not allowed to now. Really the accountants are employees of the tax office as they are being directed or more told you will do ----. The accountants institutions have let them down and in blunt terms should have told the Tax authorities to get stuffed of the extra burden of work they have offloaded and shovelled on accountants.

Don't you ever switch off about the government , are you sure your wife has not left you. :-))

Fred
They are called sociopaths these days.

The important bit as regards benefits is not the manslaughter, but the 17 kids and three adults on benefits.