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FTSE + FTSE 250 - consider trading (FTSE)     

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 12:12

rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.

for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ

for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance

cynic - 23 Jul 2008 09:40 - 2283 of 21973

first part was an easy call, though have banked my indices profits while waiting to see if either/and/or Dow and FTSE can maintain upward momentum.

Falcothou - 23 Jul 2008 13:11 - 2284 of 21973

Worth a look at Alex today
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?menuId=242&menuItemId=-1&view=SUMMARY&grid=F2&siteId=1&targetRule=2

Falcothou - 23 Jul 2008 14:01 - 2285 of 21973

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
They are going to nationalise freddie an Fannie.
Just been reading Bubbles and how to avoid them, wish I read it last July.
From Kahn..in a bear market the mood changes from 'It's ok to buy the dips' to 'better get out on the next bounce' to get me out now at any price' ultimately ending in 'revulsion'

spitfire43 - 23 Jul 2008 18:49 - 2286 of 21973

This has the feel of another bear market rally to me, with Vodafone issuing a mild profit warning, it looks like a sign of things to come. I don't like to see companies having knee jerk re-action to the sp, by saying they will buy back 1bn worth of shares because they are undervalued.

The key point is when banks report interims at the end of the month. I would love to see a return to a more normal market, and go back to stock selection, rather than trade the indices. Unfortunately I can't see this happening for a good while yet.

Falcothou - 23 Jul 2008 19:38 - 2287 of 21973

I always thought share buy backs were a waste of money e.g Alliance and Leicester doing it at 7-8 pounds a few months ago. Dow has needed oil to drop to rally so people have been bailing out of commodity etfs which have dragged other commods down for the ride. Ftse would be a lot higher in this rally if it wasn't so resource based. Difficult to call a top

spitfire43 - 23 Jul 2008 22:36 - 2288 of 21973

Share buy backs are a waste of money, they are often used to help hit EPS targets which are linked to the directors bonus.

2517GEORGE - 24 Jul 2008 07:21 - 2289 of 21973

What ARE you suggesting spitfire43, surely directors wouldn't embark on a means of enhancing THEIR remuneration and at the same time promote it as good for shareholders ? My! MY!
2517

spitfire43 - 24 Jul 2008 07:51 - 2290 of 21973

I wouldn't suggest that at all, I believe that these director only have the well being of the shareholders in their hearts. I also believe in pikie's goblins and that England will win the world cup.................

As for the FTSE can't decide whether to be a bull or bear today, with no direction from the DOW, so may leave alone today. Would expect a ranging day.

moneyplus - 24 Jul 2008 19:29 - 2291 of 21973

I dipped my toes in today--FTSE DOW BARC LLOY and HSBOS got thoroughly burnt on all of them! They move so fast--I got stopped out 3 times and closed losers the rest. back to the manual for me!! lol

maggiebt4 - 24 Jul 2008 19:35 - 2292 of 21973

MP Lovely to hear there are others like me.

moneyplus - 24 Jul 2008 20:04 - 2293 of 21973

tomorrow is another day!

HARRYCAT - 24 Jul 2008 20:28 - 2294 of 21973

But......Tomorrow never comes.

moneyplus - 24 Jul 2008 21:09 - 2295 of 21973

Well the dow has fallen off a cliff so far so maybe a recovery tomorrow?? At least I had a winner on the horses today----Australia Day.

Falcothou - 24 Jul 2008 22:18 - 2296 of 21973

Some reckon that the next drop on the dow will be in the order of 3000 points whenever it comes so long is a risky business. Some also suggest a Summer rally.

halifax - 24 Jul 2008 22:38 - 2297 of 21973

Some say the moon's a balloon. Go and lie down and take another tablet.

spitfire43 - 25 Jul 2008 09:57 - 2298 of 21973

Was expecting ftse to fall to 5280 level today, but is remaining stronger than I anticipated, must be oil companies and possibly commodities holding it up. I got one short away which was stoped out at level, just waiting for another opportunity.

Good luck to anyone else trading today.............

spitfire43 - 25 Jul 2008 10:25 - 2299 of 21973

short at 5321 and moved s/l up to level, could be last chance.

dealerdear - 25 Jul 2008 10:30 - 2300 of 21973

Certainly the most difficult market I have ever known.
The problem is nobody has a clue where the FTSE (read DOW) is going.
As Falcothou says, some anaysts say and it certainly looks like we are oversold and a bounce should be for a few weeks in the making but others are predicting us testing 5000 again and probably going down to test 4500.

Whether you're putting your money on individual companies or the index, it makes it very risky to trade. I've come to the concusion go to do what you'd normally do, then do the opposite!

spitfire43 - 25 Jul 2008 10:32 - 2301 of 21973

closed at 5291 for 30 points, that will do me for the day, will take day off now and go for a bike ride.

Bon chance........

robertalexander - 25 Jul 2008 10:59 - 2302 of 21973

my beginners luck has ended. got severely mauled by XTA [went long] y/day and broke through my stop losses. have gone chasing today but not sure if i could do so if playing with real money. does any one know if there is a general standard[or does it vary from co to co] on positions. ie if i go long on a co 1per point my trade margin shows up as 30 x 1 and my a/c balance is 30 short,for the duration of the contract. so far all understood.
if my said long position then tanks heavily so much so my a/c has minus figures for this trade. then do the spread companies automatically pull my trade and demand the difference or will they let it run[it is a rolling stock] until i close out and do i become liable for the loss at that stage?

Alex
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