Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

face up to it ...... there are almost no certainties in this referendum, and certainly none on the uk economic front

the only absolute certainty that i perceive is that if we stay in then there will be a slow but inevitable absorption into a federal europe

Dil's right .

We need a close vote.... say around 53% In.

Just enough to show we accept the economic benefit arguement of the single market but we have concerns on many other areas. A high % In vote will not be as effective.

Can't understand why the leave campaign allow Boris the Buffoon to hog the limelight. Surely their best man should be Nigel. He is Mr Out in the public eye. Boris just sucks up all the publicity, poor Nigel can hardly get a look in. He looks well pissed that Boris and his bananas get the headlines.

Old David Owen showed up on TV the other night, another self entitled has been. He looked well pissed off with things, the sad, demonic, suck back eyes hinting at a lost soul that still can't believe the public don't hang on his every word.

Without Nigel to level things up the remain campaign will pull too far ahead.

We need that close result.

We need to vote out or i dread to think what Britain will look like in 10 / 20 years .

and in 20 years time, probably without me too - i'm likely to be dead!

ICM put out their weekly EU online poll yesterday. Topline figures were REMAIN 45%, LEAVE 45%, DON’T KNOW 10%
The actual result will only be known on June 24, so do your bit and go out and vote.

The problem with the economic forecasts is that they assume the status quo. No intelligent response or intervention. It is like being on the motorway and being warned that you will die because the traffic is slowing down. We have brakes, steering wheel and a brain.
Maybe they are right since we appear to be led by mules - although having ridden one on precipitous mountains in Ecuador, I would rate the mules as more intelligent and trustworthy.
Gordon Brown is in Brussels to reassure the EU. What has that has-been got to do with anything? Give them oxygen and the roaches come out.

Nigels on the march with his road show, I'd have liked to see Nigel
in a one on one with cameron, but the snake oil salesman 'dave' hasn't the
guts.....

jimmy you talking about USA , i did see a bit of a prog last night about the rise of the KKK due to increase in immigrants etc . No idea of validity , can't really watch that sort of thing .

gordon brown will be fawning over the commisioners at Brussels HQ,
and putting his grubby paws out for a plum EU job, along the lines of the
Kinnocks.

This is the problem with the EU grannyboy they'll take anyone in there . Look at Glegg .

Nigel Farage just interviewed on BBC, and gave a good response to the IFS's
corrupt, paid for by the remainer's, biased economic tsunami report.

The leave campaign has been hijacked by Trojans.

Boris is a distraction, he was never in the out team, just there as a spoiler.

Brown- The man who sıgned The Lısbon Treaty ın a darkened room!!!

We're pleased to see our own MP, Andrea Leadsom, is a strong Brexit campaigner.

And her opinion on the latest Treasury report, which forecasts 'complete Armageddon' if we leave the EU?

Well, she says, "If you put garbage in, to use as the fundementals for the argument, then you get garbage out."

But Boris is a massive disappointment. Like most others, we absolutely love to hear what Nigel Farage has to say about the EU and reckon he could win Brexit on his own. If they've made a decision to quieten him down, which would appear to be the case, then it looks like we are doomed to have to stay in the EU for good. How pathetic!

Yes i've been impressed with your MP Andrea Leadsom, she puts up a
good argument, and plenty of fiscal experience.

There's also a Labour lady MP who is for Brexit , Gisella Stewart , treats the remainers with equal contempt .

Greece just got 10 billion euro bailout relief , more money down the drain great advert .

Gisella Stewart just been on DP, not to keen on her debating skills.

VICTIM they'l keep pouring money into Greece, no matter how much
destitution it brings to the population, just to keep the EU
project on track, it's all down to any turmoil turning up in Italy or
France, then it would be curtains.

Well it's the fact she's Labour , there aren't many gutsy enough to proclaim Brexit .

One of the many problems the Brexit camp have is how do they reassure the average punter, who is straddled with mortgage debit and day to day life, that the economy will be any better on exit of the EU.

The outers don't trust any economic data readly available. They have no creditable forecast. They say things like ..".it will be bad for a few years then maybe get better."..

The average punter sees it has it is now, he has a job, the kids are in school and he absolutely will not take the risk of loosing this. For ford focus man, he is doing well in the EU.

Old voters, with the mortgage paid off don't have to consider that risk.
Younger voters are much more European in outlook.. and any way if it all goes bad they can vote to drop out later.

My closest city is Bristol, there over 15% of the residents were not born in the UK. It has a strong economy, very European in outlook, but easily recognisable as an English city. why would a majority vote out.

Much the same goes for the whole of the southwest.

I'm angling for a close vote, whilst watching the Tory's rip into each other.