Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Greece just got 10 billion euro bailout relief , more money down the drain great advert .

Gisella Stewart just been on DP, not to keen on her debating skills.

VICTIM they'l keep pouring money into Greece, no matter how much
destitution it brings to the population, just to keep the EU
project on track, it's all down to any turmoil turning up in Italy or
France, then it would be curtains.

Well it's the fact she's Labour , there aren't many gutsy enough to proclaim Brexit .

One of the many problems the Brexit camp have is how do they reassure the average punter, who is straddled with mortgage debit and day to day life, that the economy will be any better on exit of the EU.

The outers don't trust any economic data readly available. They have no creditable forecast. They say things like ..".it will be bad for a few years then maybe get better."..

The average punter sees it has it is now, he has a job, the kids are in school and he absolutely will not take the risk of loosing this. For ford focus man, he is doing well in the EU.

Old voters, with the mortgage paid off don't have to consider that risk.
Younger voters are much more European in outlook.. and any way if it all goes bad they can vote to drop out later.

My closest city is Bristol, there over 15% of the residents were not born in the UK. It has a strong economy, very European in outlook, but easily recognisable as an English city. why would a majority vote out.

Much the same goes for the whole of the southwest.

I'm angling for a close vote, whilst watching the Tory's rip into each other.

Here's a Brexit Tory mp that should be given more air time. Dr Sarah Wollaston. I would put her up as a possible Tory leader.
She's the one refusing to hand out Brexit NHS leflets because of false claims.

She makes good points.

10 / 20 years down the road we will have another 5 million migrants in the UK how will we be then for jobs/NHS/schools etc , also we will just be a region of the Euro think of the long game .

"The outer's don't trust any economic data readily available"

What you mean the data that profess to foresee the economy in 2030
using dodgy figures and analogies...Or the negative data input into the
computer program, to get negative output, just like todays IFS report...

But the problem with that is, if you pay for a report and want a negative
result, thats what you get....Which is NOT a true outcome!!.

And as will10 keeps telling us 'its all about economics'

Yes that's very true...Economics and trading/commerce....It does not
need a political union..

Or open door free movement....

will10... "The average punter sees it has it is now."
"The kids are in school and he absolutely will not take the risk of loosing
this"..

"Young voters are much more European in outlook...and anyway if it all
goes bad they can vote to drop out later."


If the average punter was thinking about his kids, then he will certainly
be looking to vote to leave..As its just recently been reported that over
100,000 children can't get into their first choice school, due to the influx
of immigration..The same thing will happen to their hopes of buying/obtaining
a property later in their lives, and their carreer prospects.

So yes they definitely need to consider their childs future, and its not with
staying in the EU.

"Young voters are much more European in their outlook...and anyway if
it all goes bad they can vote to drop out later."


Rubbish, the chances are if we stay in there WILL be further integration,
and in all probability we won't have the means(power) or desire to go
against the masters in Brussels.....And will not get the chance of having
another referendum..

You prove the point.

In your view all data is wrong.

Dr Woolaston, a Brexiter, points out the false facts in the outers leading NHS case. It's all rubbish, it's not true. But you don't believe her.

Both sides are lying. People don't believe anything.

If you have a job why risk voting out.

On the free movement issue, .....why don't all the unemployed Spanish, Greek, French and Italian come on over here.

Your tidal wave of mass immigration is massively overstated.

I've already said, many things in EU need to change, including the use of a single currency. But we should stay in.

The OUTers will be a bit happier from Friday as we enter the period of Purdah when civil servants will not be able to help Cameron's IN campaign. Government money also cannot be spent in support. Cameron can repeat dire economic warnings, but no more studies can be paid for.

It is possible that the BoE may have to break that rule as their next meeting is on 16 June, just a week before the referendum. If something comes up in the minutes of their meeting that is negative to an OUT result then it will be reported.

I think they are already over here Will. London is the 6th largest french speaking city in Europe. The french consulate estimates that between 300,000 - 400,000 have moved to London.
God knows how many Greeks , Ities and Spanish since they have been coming for years.
You don't have to spend much time in those countries to understand why. All ok for a visit but not to live. The decay and neglect is there to see. Even Paris, despite its high taxes, is looking run down.

Sacre blur .

Haystacks said----''It is possible that the BoE may have to break that rule as their next meeting is on 16 June, just a week before the referendum. If something comes up in the minutes of their meeting that is negative to an OUT result then it will be reported.''

What if something positive comes up to an OUT result, will that be reported?
2517

Caught him out there again GEORGE .You are quite right .

It is unlikely as the BoE committee is really looking at risks to the economy. The minutes are about what was said in the meeting. In the unlikely event that a member of the committee says something positive about leaving the EU then it will be reported.

I would say they contribute to society. They pay their taxes, and on balance are a great benefit to the economy. Why don't more come?? I would argue they deserve a place in schools for their kids. Even if they don't have children, some of the taxes collected goes to schools. Shortage of places is a failure of forecasting.

Here in the southwest, as you well know, we are much more loved up than elsewhere in the UK. An unemployment rate of less than 4% and the sunshine leads to, surprise... babies.. But it is an known outcome of our passions .
We plan for it and that includes school places.

will10(2316) I've not read this leaflet you are referring to, and I don't
know much about this Dr Woolaston and her comments.

As to why don't the Spanish, Greek, French, Italian come over.


They do you moron, in their hundreds of thousands...There's also been
MILLIONS of eastern europeans too.....Not to mention the HIGH hundreds
of thousands of immigrants from the rest of the world....

If you like the EU so much why don't you look for a job in Greece..
Hungary...Romania????


You are one of those idiots who has his head stuck up is rse...Do you
also live in the Islington of the South East???

The remainers have an unhealthy obsession with filling this country up with immigrants , for some reason . you would swear we were 100% white English .

The IMF(Christine Lagarde) is also reporting a couple of days before
the referendum, and that WILL contain dire warnings if we leave...
Just to help her friend osborne, you understand...

Carney should be out of a job after the last 'political' BOE minutes diatribe,
and i'm sure he will find something negative to spout at the next one...
If he does he should definitely be sacked, or will it have to wait for when cameron/osborne get kicked out