Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Moderation of responses to difficult situations.

Rather than rushing one's fences chasing foxes on borrowed horses.

fred - my wife was a school governor .... believe me, getting rid of poor quality teachers is incredibly difficult ..... and yes, i know plenty about dyslexia; one of the best things we ever did was to put all 3 of our children through a proper typing course; that sorted out a lot of the associated problems

chasing foxes is far too elitist for me ..... surprised you know about such things .... or were you a stern-handed whipper-in :-)

Driver you say,
What you are missing is that their Rent has to come out of the cap some high rents in Tory owned properties are so high the clamant could be left with nothing.

I am not missing that fact at all!

So its OK for those on benifit to live in properties that some in work can not afford.

Just one example was where a family of 2 adults and 15 children were given a home consisting of 2 massive houses knocked into one because they said their council house was too small and there are many more of the same ilk.

If child allowance stopped after the second child, I bet they would not have had so many kids.

In my past proffesion I came against numerous families of the don't work, won't work brigade and I don't mind admitting, I became and still am angry at the system.

Unless the system changes such behaviour will continue.


I know what would make tax payers think more about those who won't work, dozens of kids on benifits, illeal immigrants and the like.

Why not have a system where instead of PAYE going to the tax office, just work out how much equivalent benifit goes to your nearest scrounger and take it straight round to them on pay day.
Simples, and just think of that glow it would give to the giver as he/she starts the next working week thinking of how their hard earned money is allowing the recipients to lounge around all day, with their free fags and beer!

"If child allowance stopped after the second child, I bet they would not have had so many kids." You said that twice G/M -):

Thanks Stan,

Post edited.
Just goes to show how embittered I have become.

Cynic,

Probably, cheaper to buy them a computer with a screen and a spelling checker, or my wife, who writes my letters. (Not so sure about that.) Actually, one daughter out of my four had/has dyslexia and I met the headmaster and told him it was probably inherited problem and that she wasn't lazy and would come good.

She now has a PhD in marine biology and a MA, in Bioinformatics mainly based on programming and data base analysis. She often appears as bloody minded as he mother. 8-)

But part of the problem with dyslexia seems to me is how one associates and processes information.

Strange old world.

one aspect of housing benefit puzzles me, so perhaps someone will explain the logic ......

not so long ago, the benefit was paid direct to the landlord - he was then secure in the knowledge that at least that portion would be forthcoming

now, that benefit goes to the claimant who is of course then meant to pay the landlord .... hmm! thinks the landlord, not sure i like this idea as it's far too risky

as a result, you will see more and more letting notices stating that those on benefit need not apply

fred - dyslexia covers a wide spectrum of learning difficulties - just as does autism ..... unfortunately, dyslexia is now "fashionable" for all sorts of reasons, and it will suit many parents and teachers if the child is so labelled ..... heaven forfend of course that the child may just be thick!

Up the wages and conditions then so the need for benefits will be less.

G.

Yes

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Stan,

Didn't know that you were the third child.

8-)


I was an often wondered why my father has a twinkle in his eye, when he took me underground.

"Stan,

Didn't know that you were the third child.

8-)"

Nor did I Fred -):

Greekman....said......

Why not have a system where instead of PAYE going to the tax office, just work out how much equivalent benifit goes to your nearest scrounger and take it straight round to them on pay day.
Simples, and just think of that glow it would give to the giver as he/she starts the next working week thinking of how their hard earned money is allowing the recipients to lounge around all day, with their free fags and beer!.........ends

Your again only looking at one side of the deficit equation ie that of spending on benefits. What about having a go at those hoarding billions in offshore accounts and getting the tax man to COLLECT it, not threaten to collect it but actually collect it.

That way the deficit would dissapear overnight and debt started on. I dare say you would also get a tax cut under all partys and perhaphs you wouldnt be so bitter to less well off people than yourself.

What job did you do by the way????????????.

PS, by the way i think I would agree with your idea that Child benefit should only be paid to the first 2 children. Im sure it used to be that way and is paid directly to the mother.

Wos because some fathers got the wage at end of week and drank and gambled it away on the friday and saturday.

A young monk arrives at the monastery.
He is assigned to help the other monks copy the canon laws of the church.

He notices that the monks are not copying the original manuscripts.

So, the young monk goes to the Abbot and points out that if someone had made even the smallest error, it might have been continued in all of the subsequent copies.

The Abbot says, 'We've been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make an excellent point, my son.'

The Abbot goes down into the dark crypt beneath the monastery where the original
manuscripts are kept in a locked vault that hasn't been opened for hundreds of years.

Hours go by and nobody sees the old Abbot .
The young monk gets worried and goes to the vault to look for him. He sees the Abbot banging his head against the wall and wailing,

'We missed the R out'! ……………..
'We missed the R out'!……………
'We missed the R out'!

His forehead is bloody and bruised and he is crying uncontrollably.

The young ,monk asks the old Abbot, 'What's wrong, father?'

In a choking voice, the old Abbot replies,'The original word was.......


'CELEBRATE' !!!

Goldfinger, You say, "Your again only looking at one side of the deficit equation ie that of spending on benefits. What about having a go at those hoarding billions in offshore accounts and getting the tax man to COLLECT it, not threaten to collect it but actually collect it".

I fully agree with you but one wrong system does not excuse the other!

There are multiple wrongs in this world, surelly you don't want me to list them all.

My only question to you is this.

Do you think that it is right that those who dont work, won't work should be paid to do so by those that do work!

or slightly differently, do you think those on benefit should be obligated (different from [not different to!] obliged!) to work on "social tasks", though of course given sufficient time to allow them to apply for jobs and to attend interviews?

if £56 is the basic tax-free benefit, i'ld guess that equates to 16 hours at gross basic wage ..... would that be about right?

Greekman said.....I fully agree with you but one wrong system does not excuse the other!.........ends

ohhhhhhh yes it does in this situation. Why on earth would low lifes even think about working when they can see the rich frittering dosh after dosh at say Aintree and Ascot etc etc on expensive plonk and fashionable buffets etc etc.

If you stopped giving benefits to this group you speak of they would just rob and pillage their would be anarchy on the streets of Britain.

WHY........Because they have nothing to lose, do you not see that?.Surely you must.

The people Im sticking up for are the disabled and truly poorly people plus decent types who have lost everything through losing their jobs and through no fault of their own.

Just got to pop out, forgot to feed the swans and geese today.

decent types who have lost everything through losing their jobs and through no fault of their own ..... hello! isn't this where we came in? ...... can't get a job but want the taxpayer to support you? ...... then take social tasks - e.g. picking up garbage; looking after cemeteries; visiting the elderly etc

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who is to define a "low life" etc and using what criteria?

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there looks to be an awful lot if fuzzy (non)logic and thinking in sticky's post

Right back. Cynic still hanging around I see. Like a tramp ouside marks and sparks binned food dustbin.

Starts arguments for arguments sake.

Wouldnt mind but hes been spoon fed all his life and hasnt a clue what real life is all about. Pampered upper class cissy boy.