Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Greekman....said......

Why not have a system where instead of PAYE going to the tax office, just work out how much equivalent benifit goes to your nearest scrounger and take it straight round to them on pay day.
Simples, and just think of that glow it would give to the giver as he/she starts the next working week thinking of how their hard earned money is allowing the recipients to lounge around all day, with their free fags and beer!.........ends

Your again only looking at one side of the deficit equation ie that of spending on benefits. What about having a go at those hoarding billions in offshore accounts and getting the tax man to COLLECT it, not threaten to collect it but actually collect it.

That way the deficit would dissapear overnight and debt started on. I dare say you would also get a tax cut under all partys and perhaphs you wouldnt be so bitter to less well off people than yourself.

What job did you do by the way????????????.

PS, by the way i think I would agree with your idea that Child benefit should only be paid to the first 2 children. Im sure it used to be that way and is paid directly to the mother.

Wos because some fathers got the wage at end of week and drank and gambled it away on the friday and saturday.

A young monk arrives at the monastery.
He is assigned to help the other monks copy the canon laws of the church.

He notices that the monks are not copying the original manuscripts.

So, the young monk goes to the Abbot and points out that if someone had made even the smallest error, it might have been continued in all of the subsequent copies.

The Abbot says, 'We've been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make an excellent point, my son.'

The Abbot goes down into the dark crypt beneath the monastery where the original
manuscripts are kept in a locked vault that hasn't been opened for hundreds of years.

Hours go by and nobody sees the old Abbot .
The young monk gets worried and goes to the vault to look for him. He sees the Abbot banging his head against the wall and wailing,

'We missed the R out'! ……………..
'We missed the R out'!……………
'We missed the R out'!

His forehead is bloody and bruised and he is crying uncontrollably.

The young ,monk asks the old Abbot, 'What's wrong, father?'

In a choking voice, the old Abbot replies,'The original word was.......


'CELEBRATE' !!!

Goldfinger, You say, "Your again only looking at one side of the deficit equation ie that of spending on benefits. What about having a go at those hoarding billions in offshore accounts and getting the tax man to COLLECT it, not threaten to collect it but actually collect it".

I fully agree with you but one wrong system does not excuse the other!

There are multiple wrongs in this world, surelly you don't want me to list them all.

My only question to you is this.

Do you think that it is right that those who dont work, won't work should be paid to do so by those that do work!

or slightly differently, do you think those on benefit should be obligated (different from [not different to!] obliged!) to work on "social tasks", though of course given sufficient time to allow them to apply for jobs and to attend interviews?

if £56 is the basic tax-free benefit, i'ld guess that equates to 16 hours at gross basic wage ..... would that be about right?

Greekman said.....I fully agree with you but one wrong system does not excuse the other!.........ends

ohhhhhhh yes it does in this situation. Why on earth would low lifes even think about working when they can see the rich frittering dosh after dosh at say Aintree and Ascot etc etc on expensive plonk and fashionable buffets etc etc.

If you stopped giving benefits to this group you speak of they would just rob and pillage their would be anarchy on the streets of Britain.

WHY........Because they have nothing to lose, do you not see that?.Surely you must.

The people Im sticking up for are the disabled and truly poorly people plus decent types who have lost everything through losing their jobs and through no fault of their own.

Just got to pop out, forgot to feed the swans and geese today.

decent types who have lost everything through losing their jobs and through no fault of their own ..... hello! isn't this where we came in? ...... can't get a job but want the taxpayer to support you? ...... then take social tasks - e.g. picking up garbage; looking after cemeteries; visiting the elderly etc

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who is to define a "low life" etc and using what criteria?

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there looks to be an awful lot if fuzzy (non)logic and thinking in sticky's post

Right back. Cynic still hanging around I see. Like a tramp ouside marks and sparks binned food dustbin.

Starts arguments for arguments sake.

Wouldnt mind but hes been spoon fed all his life and hasnt a clue what real life is all about. Pampered upper class cissy boy.

"who is to define a "low life" etc and using what criteria?" There seemed to be a lot of what I would define as "low life " celebrating Margaret Thatcher's death on our streets last night. Groups of socialist yobs and a lot of them barely out of nappies.

now now - i know you (allegedly) can't read this, but weren't you warned off making disparaging remarks without being able to back them up?

you are of course very egotistical to presume that all posts are for your benefit .... rest assured they are not!

doodle - surely you wouldn't put sticky in such a (low life) category? .... shame on you!

This part of your post says it all, "Why on earth would low lifes even think about working when they can see the rich frittering dosh after dosh at say Aintree and Ascot etc etc on expensive plonk and fashionable buffets etc etc".

There will always be people with money, even in communist countries where all are supposed to be equal there are many billionares.

For so called socialism to survive you have to have money and that money more often than not is due to capitalism.

I presume you want all equal as that is what your post implies. It also implies, because you did not answer my question that you think that it is right that those who dont work, won't work should be paid to do so by those that do work.

As for the excuse re them going our to rob and pilage, that is a ridiculos argument.
I have no problem with paying just enough at subsistance level, its just the higher than subsistance level I am against.

As for the disabled and truly poor decent types, I again have no problem as I have never stated that those who guenuinly deserve help should not receive it.
Both my brother and Sister in Law are seriously disabled after being in work for many years, so I know only too well how they need assistance.

The minimum wage is £6.19, so £56/week would be 9.05 hours work. At that rate there would be no tax so gross and net would be the same.

However, there is no reason to keep to such low figure. It might be better to get 35 hours of social work for the benefit as an incentive to get a real job.

How do you define socialist yobs?. How do you know they support socialist partys?.

You must live in a run down area DB. Are you very poor?.

greek - recent history shows a number of instances where sticky casts disparaging assertions, and will repeat them several times, but will not be able to back them up


hays - i was actually aware that i had fallen into the "below taxable threshhold" trap, but i was trying to determine what happened pro-rata (if that makes sense) - e.g. what's the nett score if you earn £90 pw or £120? ..... perhaps i've shot myself badly, as perhaps the tax-free limit is closer to £15k pa (i.e. nearly £300 pw)

Greekman ....what job did you used to do?. You havent answered my question yet.

The reason why I ask is because if you do really know what the underclass is capable of FOR HAVING NOTHING TO LOSE, then you wouldnt have completed the above post.

From the Telegraph;

Members of various organisations including the Anti-Bedroom Tax Federation, the Communist Party, the Socialist Party, the Socialist Working Party, the International Socialist Group, were joined by members of the public to mark the occasion.

Anti-capitalist campaigners shouted from loudspeakers, "Maggie, Maggie, Maggie" as the crowd replied "dead, dead, dead".

Ive worked for the DHSS I know what people with nothing to lose are capable of. They are desperate and will stop at nothing believe me.

Lets face it only 20 months ago we had RIOTS on the streets and the situation boiling up now is far worse.

Can you deny that?.

We even had students rioting in London. so please dont underestimate what lengths people will go to.

cynic
I don't think the amount is important. It is perfectly sensible to get benefit recipients to work 35 hours for £56. That would be the deal if you want the benefits. Unfortunately we won't get it while we have a coalition. It is a pity that we have to wait until after the next election to get a clear Conservative majority.

doodle - not exactly the foremost non-partisan publication it has to be said :-)

hays - 35 hours for £56 falls heavily into the exploitation category ..... however, there is certainly a balance to be struck between that and something that is at least "liveable" albeit with care - e.g. it doesn't have to pay for the latest mobile phone or running a car