WHITESTAR001
- 10 Feb 2006 15:08
THIS SHARE WILL BE WORTH 3.00 IN 2009
hangon
- 31 Jul 2008 13:00
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This is a Pharma, with all the risks associated wiith trials - it's very much a wait and see. Some income from rattlesnake divn, so at least shareholders shouldn't see (much) dilution, unlike most other Bio's.
I've held this for a while and this Market dip is rather worse than I expected, so maybe an av dn is looming - but then maybe not. Are you L-T transco15...? I read you're none to happy (earlier posts)......so why did you buy originially?
transco15
- 31 Jul 2008 18:15
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Well I thought if the big boys were interseted in backing them so should I - I was wrong i think!
greekman
- 01 Aug 2008 07:59
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Personal view. No you were not wrong (obviously depends on the buy in price).
Just lately I have reviewed my reasons for buying into PTI. They were drug portfolio and the relevant stages, low debt, cash in bank and the management team. To me things have on the whole only got better, it's the global trend/confidence in bio/drug companies that has caused the dragging down of the sp.
Punters are looking to 'safe bets' which these days are very hard to find, with so called defensive stocks suffering as much as any.
To me Protherics are looking just as good an investment as ever.
Patience is still needed, but withing 12/18 months I am looking at an sp of at least double today's price, but obviously that is a long time in global terms which at the moment appear to have taken over.
As to the medium/long term of 5 to 10 years I have really high hopes.
hangon
- 04 Aug 2008 13:16
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Greekman, - I tend to agree - - - - Their pre-eclampsia statement was a bit mixed , but it shows the co is still forward-moving and that has to be good.
Furthermore - YES - in these Markets almost any share can be punished - that's why it's essential to hold only those with Lots of Cash (to weather out), OR with income ( esp Pharmas) and exciting stocks that are mid-way.
Big Co's are not always safe, partly because folk can get-out easily and they don't expect a huge change in sentiment whilst they are "out" - whereas small Pharmas may change dramatically....esp Upwards...following a good Trial...
I'm hoping some Normality will happen with the change in US-President and a clearing out of "old ways" etc. Here in UK, we have to wait a little more.... until GB finally gets kicked-out, he was a disaster as Chancellor and now reaps the failures of years of Labour policy of greed and envy.......er, IMHO. I suspect UKplc will be stuck like now until something turns up.
greekman
- 06 Aug 2008 14:25
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3 nice bits of news today, especially the presentation bit.
transco15
- 07 Aug 2008 09:04
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I would say we have turned the corner,,,i hope....
The charts looking good and im dipping my toe in again..
greekman
- 13 Aug 2008 13:43
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Nicely up today with med volume, sells over 3 to 1 buys with a smaller spread than of late.
Appears the offer is chasing the ask.
On a day with the market suffering, has the previous bits of news (6th) and the Seymour recommendation of being oversold filtering through.
transco15
- 13 Aug 2008 14:49
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Yes I was right for once - a nice move up - not before time though.
transco15
- 13 Aug 2008 16:18
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w o w whats going on here. Time to buy more?
greekman
- 13 Aug 2008 16:46
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And the SP finished on a high.
transco15
- 13 Aug 2008 16:57
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mmm Im not getting carried away. Market conditions are shocking right now. I suspect some buy note is being put together and being released over the weekend..
Still is going in the right direction...... but beware if you are not already in this is a dangerous punt IMHO
greekman
- 13 Aug 2008 17:19
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With the market well down on close and PTI being the second highest riser, there should be a RNS tomorrow even if is to the effect that Protherics have no idea why there has been such a 1 day rise.
transco15
- 13 Aug 2008 17:36
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Bid stories maybe? Roch had some bid news out i think - maybe its that.
Who knows?
Must retreat in the morning I would guess?
Toya
- 13 Aug 2008 20:51
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Here's your RNS guys - well done to those who had the patience to stick with it (which I did not!):
Released 18:12 13-Aug-08
Number 2944B18
Re share price rise
London, UK; Brentwood, TN, US; 13 August 2008 - Protherics PLC ("Protherics" or the "Company"), the international biopharmaceutical company focused on critical care and cancer, notes today's rise in the Company's share price and confirms it has received approaches from a number of parties interested in acquiring Protherics, which the board is considering. However, there can be no certainty that any formal offer will be made, nor as to the terms on which any offer might be made.
A further announcement will be made in due course.
In accordance with Rule 2.10 of the City Code on Takeovers and Mergers (the "Code"), Protherics confirms that at the close of business on 12 August 2008, it has 342,159,034 ordinary shares of 2 pence each in issue and admitted to trading on the London Stock Exchange under the UK ISIN code GB00070290.
transco15
- 14 Aug 2008 07:39
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Yes yes yes yes - lets hope they dont sell it south of 90p
greekman
- 14 Aug 2008 07:42
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I posted this on a rival site yesterday.
I just hope it's not someone like Glaxo sniffing around as I would really like Protherics to make it big time on their own. The only suspicion I have re GSK is that as we know they are joined at the hip with PTI on a couple of issues and GSK have made it known they (like many other drug conglomerates) are interested in the buying into drug IP's either by license or straight takeovers as it is often cheaper than their own R@D.
I have no evidence to back up my suspicions, just cant see it being a drug specific news update (unless it's really earth shattering) to make the sp rise 22+%.
Tomorrow will no doubt reveal all.
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Will only be pleased if any buy out price is 1 plus. Still think if there is a bid it will be lead by Glaxo.
Just on potential I feel that Protherics staying independent is worth far more, but a bird in the hand as they say.
hangon
- 14 Aug 2008 16:47
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Take Care!
This "bid situation" is only making-up lost value, as (bank) financial woes sweep the equity market, and then there's Recession....all of which is bound to affect the willingness of folk to buy Bio-shares, - however valuable/good their pipeline....so this may be a temporary "spike" - take care, don't bet the bank as it were.
Whilst it is welcome, I wonder who it is?
Greekman_ to make it on their own I suspect will be at least another 5-years when commercialisation rests on several products....that's a long time...when I invested (1998?) it seems to be a lot nearer - no one said!
I would have thought, IF it was a Co like Glazo ( mentioned here) then they'd just make a bid at 1(say)- and take the whole thing over. (i.e. their bid would frighten any rivals).... It's very odd that someone would pounce "now" unless it's an oportunistic ploy by Management and they are trying to get the money together, not realising how much reaction the Market would put up.
-Indeed it might be Glaxo that will be their problem, for JV's can be tricky to break and to some extent they help small Bio's from being gobbled-up, whilst giving them a Sales outlet assuming the product works OK.
I hold, long-term.
(Some in an ISA)
greekman
- 14 Aug 2008 17:31
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Just because Glaxo can easily make a 1 per share offer out of their petty cash does not mean they will unless they feel that is its worth. Companies like Glaxo still look for value. If there is an offer it will be good to see the first figure, as this will give a good indication of what might be a final figure. As to the recession, this is one of the reasons why Glaxo have suspended buy backs. They probably feel that with the money market as they are cash can be used in a more productive way
Obviously no predator offers anywhere up to what they deem to be the real worth.
Keeping very rough figures I find that if deals go through the final figure is usually between a 15% to 25% premium to the initial offer figure. If it becomes a competition of suitors then it is often up to 30%.
Now when if due diligence is carried out some of the drugs portfolio looks to have more potential with a money no limit backer well the sp of today might be easily doubled. Of course things can also go wrong, but I can't see Protherics management hiding the wool.
As to 5 years minimum re commercialisation on several products, looking at the time position of PTI's drug portfolio my estimate is nearer 3 years, but yes it could be 5 years if and there is always a big IF with drug issues there are more hiccups than expected.
I fully agree with your "Don't break the bank statement".
Offer or not 'Things can only get Better' as the Labour party used to tell us.
Toya
- 15 Aug 2008 07:41
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From today's Times:
Rumour of the day
Protherics shares surged more than 40 per cent, up 16p to 55p, after the biotech company said it had received several bid approaches after market close on Wednesday. There was speculation yesterday that it could be bought by AstraZeneca, which has a deal dating back to 2005 with Protherics covering CytoFab, its experimental drug for sepsis.
greekman
- 15 Aug 2008 08:22
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Nice little summing up of Protherics.
Zhining Xu, analyst at Seymour Pierce, said: CytoFab alone is probably worth more than the whole market capitalisation of the company at the moment.
For full article see.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/59412452-6a28-11dd-83e8-0000779fd18c.html
This is why the value of the company is IMHO over the 1 mark per share, and unless any offer is over this amount I still would proffer Protherics to go it alone.
In 3 years time the 1 valuation could if things go as planned look cheap.