Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
yuff
- 01 Jun 2010 13:25
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During the Falklands war, Britain employed a blockade of this island that was beyond its international borders. This is a standard practice by countries that are at war. US coastal guards often intercepts drug boats well before they reach US waters. Israel gave plenty of warnings and gave the organisers an option to dock in Israeli port. Israel had no option but to treat this flotilla as hostile.
So what is the problem in asking 6 vessels carrying aid cargo interspersed with armamants to stop and be checked out?
The Turks have used this incident to their full advantage to ally themselves to the Syrian/Iranian axis.
Gausie
- 01 Jun 2010 13:29
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Hey Clubman
I wonder why you've sprung up on this thread. I thought you were a well balanced rational individual. Until I started to read your posts.
pointless anti-semitic post
Isaacs
- 01 Jun 2010 13:47
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How sad that we have people on here making such silly comments.
More generally Gausie well done for your research and putting the other side.
Gausie
- 01 Jun 2010 13:51
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New and serious escalation.
IHH sending another two ships to try to run the blockade. (One registered in Ireland, the other in USA)
Israel vowing not to use paintball guns next time, but instead to treat this as a war.
The west has been struggling with this for some time - new instability is less likely to be between governments of warring states, but rather between governments and armed hostile ideological groups with bases in many countries.
There's no textbook on how to defend against this sort of aggression - and so the world will be watching and making notes. I sure hope that we can learn from what Israel get right and what they get wrong. Because this is the shape of things to come. For all of us.
porky
- 01 Jun 2010 14:06
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I heard on the news that there are 30 to 40 british subjects being held, I just wonder as a tax payer if I might have funded their sea trip.
Haystack
- 01 Jun 2010 14:08
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Nobody will believe that Israel will release all the ais as it conatins items that are banned such as building materials. Only a quarter of the necessary aid is allowed through at present. I doubt that very few will believe anything that Israel says.
Maritime law states that even if the ships are carrying terrorists or arms to be used, Israel should have asked permission from the country under who's flag the ships sailed - turkey. It is piracy however you look at it.
It is about time a world wide boycott of Israeli goods was started until the blockade is lifted and they treat the people in Gaza better.
Gausie
- 01 Jun 2010 14:12
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Haystack - you are awfully keen to talk about pirates.
Have you a parrot on your shoulder squawking "Pieces of aid! Pieces of aid" into your ear?
Haystack
- 01 Jun 2010 14:14
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It is because it is piracy. It is also a word that has been used in this context several times by various countries.
Clubman3509
- 01 Jun 2010 14:14
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Here we go. If guily play the race card to cover up.
Haystack
- 01 Jun 2010 14:24
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When I saw on the previous evening that the ship had set sail, I was expecting an outcome similar to the actual one. It is clear that Hamas are getting smarter in their use of the media and will increasingly put Israel in the position of being the agressor. This situation was one where Israel could not win. Their strategy was probably the worst thay could have chosen and was a PR gift. I can think of a number of new scenarios where Israel are going to come off worse. Unless Israel negociate with more consessions such as dismantling illegal settlements, they are going to become more isolated. Now that Hamas have seen the power of their new strategy you can expect more of the same. It doesn't help Israel that they have a very right wing Prime Minister. It doesn't help that he was a commander of a commano unit. Force seems to suit his style of government.
Camelot
- 01 Jun 2010 14:27
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civilian deaths ?
wearing levi's and beckham T shirts were they ?
roflmao
Gausie
- 01 Jun 2010 14:33
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Clubman - you played it, not I.
Do you not remember posting this on the BP thread a few days ago?
Clubman3509 - 28 May 2010 15:03 - 45 of 64
Hole now capped according to Bloomberg jew times. Waiting to see if it holds.
It's pretty damning for you. What did you mean by it? Feel free to defend your statement as anything other than anti-semitic.
Haystack - what you going to boycott first? Your pentium chips? Your mobile phone? Microsoft windows? Drugs such as Exelon for Alzheimers and dementia? and the new drugs coming out for chronic schizophrenia? I think you, more than most, need to think very carefully before you boycott any of these products.
Haystack
- 01 Jun 2010 14:42
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We can just start by boycotting Israeli produce such as fruit and veg. Chips are made in plenty of places and so are mobile phones and there are other drugs available.
Haystack
- 01 Jun 2010 14:44
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Here we go!
Majed Al-Zeer, the director general of the Palestinian return center, has revealed that the international campaign to end the siege on Gaza has started preparing a new aid flotilla to Gaza Strip that would sail within six weeks.
Clubman3509
- 01 Jun 2010 14:49
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Ban bagels, and make the Isreal government eat bacon butties
Haystack
- 01 Jun 2010 14:49
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Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has ordered the border crossing between Egypt and the Gaza Strip to be opened.
Gausie
- 01 Jun 2010 14:50
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Haystack
So we'll only boycott things we can readily get elsewhere? Stuff that doesn't inconvenience us?
Meanwhile we'll let the royalties on the israeli designed stuff we really need keep flowing?
I love champagne socialism.
"In a North London Top Floor Flat
All White walls, white carpet, white cat
Rice paper partitions
Modern art and ambition"
Haystack
- 01 Jun 2010 14:53
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Why not boycott Israeli produce. Why would I want to delivberately inconvenience myself? I haven't bought a mobile phone or a PC for several years, but I buy fruit and veg constantly.
Clubman3509
- 01 Jun 2010 14:53
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Ban those silly little hats they wear on the back of their heads
mnamreh
- 01 Jun 2010 14:56
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